ciggiesnbeer Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 Maybe they can play together but again Carlos is right in Ming's position. Feels more like Carlos OR Mings to me. But I could be wrong we have seen Ashley Yougn play every position but keeper this season so who knows? Mings average position Diego Carlos average position Konsa (Ming's partner) Jules Kounde (Carlos's partner who sometimes plays RB)https://www.sofascore.com/player/diego-carlos/604232https://www.sofascore.com/player/tyrone-mings/303638https://www.sofascore.com/player/ezri-konsa/827679https://www.sofascore.com/player/jules-kounde/827212 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Maybe they can play together but again Carlos is right in Ming's position. Feels more like Carlos OR Mings to me. But I could be wrong we have seen Ashley Yougn play every position but keeper this season so who knows? Mings average position Diego Carlos average position Konsa (Ming's partner) Jules Kounde (Carlos's partner who sometimes plays RB)https://www.sofascore.com/player/diego-carlos/604232https://www.sofascore.com/player/tyrone-mings/303638https://www.sofascore.com/player/ezri-konsa/827679https://www.sofascore.com/player/jules-kounde/827212 Well he's " In Mings position " on the heat map, because he played in " Mings position " at Sevilla. Would be kind of weird if he was the right sided CB and spent all his time on the left. lol Doesn't mean he CAN'T play on the right mate? EDIT: Also appears he covers even more ground than Mings going off that. Edited May 29, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Well he's " In Mings position " on the heat map, because he played in " Mings position " at Sevilla. Would be kind of weird if he was the right sided CB and spent all his time on the left. lol Doesn't mean he CAN'T play on the right mate? EDIT: Also appears he covers even more ground than Mings going off that. Totally. Players can change positions but adding a change of position on top of a new club and a new league feels a bit of an ask. It just seems more straightforward to me to assume he is just going to play where he is best and most comfortable. Ming's position. We will find out though. As we have seen with Ollie & Ings impossible partnerships can become indispensable partnerships very quickly, just thought it was interesting, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Totally. Players can change positions but adding a change of position on top of a new club and a new league feels a bit of an ask. It just seems more straightforward to me to assume he is just going to play where he is best and most comfortable. Ming's position. We will find out though. As we have seen with Ollie & Ings impossible partnerships can become indispensable partnerships very quickly, just thought it was interesting, It is not a change of position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 40 minutes ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Maybe they can play together but again Carlos is right in Ming's position. Feels more like Carlos OR Mings to me. But I could be wrong we have seen Ashley Yougn play every position but keeper this season so who knows? Mings average position Diego Carlos average position Konsa (Ming's partner) Jules Kounde (Carlos's partner who sometimes plays RB)https://www.sofascore.com/player/diego-carlos/604232https://www.sofascore.com/player/tyrone-mings/303638https://www.sofascore.com/player/ezri-konsa/827679https://www.sofascore.com/player/jules-kounde/827212 I think he plays on the left because Kounde is amazing and he plays on the right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 It doesnt mean he cant play on the right but he may not be as comfortable on that side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 2 hours ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Totally. Players can change positions but adding a change of position on top of a new club and a new league feels a bit of an ask. It just seems more straightforward to me to assume he is just going to play where he is best and most comfortable. Ming's position. We will find out though. As we have seen with Ollie & Ings impossible partnerships can become indispensable partnerships very quickly, just thought it was interesting, According to Google He is a right footed cb, who was played lcb at Seville. I think he should be ok slotting in on the other side of central defence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 1 hour ago, PaulC said: It doesnt mean he cant play on the right but he may not be as comfortable on that side. To me, it would be easier to play on your natural foot/side, regardless. So might be testament to how good of a player he might actually be IMO of course. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompedyret Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 Perhaps he was sold on finally getting to play on his natural foot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted May 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2022 10 hours ago, rodders0223 said: That really won't help his complete lack of ability on the ball at this level. I've been critical. In reality he's been a brilliant signing for us. But he is what he is and he needs upgrading. Like Watkins. His technical limitations are not going to change too much at their age. Their knowledge of the game can, experience and learning you never stop but technically they are just not there. Is that not on his out options with the ball. Konsa was never helping him this season and then when we had Nakamba or McGinn it was even more pointless. Anytime Mings has the ball only one player consistently looks for it thats Luiz, the rest are hiding and even unmarked at times but its not on hence the hoof to Watkins 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterw Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 8 hours ago, PaulC said: It doesnt mean he cant play on the right but he may not be as comfortable on that side. Indeed. When he was being kicked by that french referee he was on the right-hand side so it may be that its just Seville that have him playing on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister_a Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 I think we will see a much improved defensive performance next season simply because we bought Kamara. Having no defined DM with passing ability has really put the defence under so much pressure this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 8 hours ago, Zatman said: Is that not on his out options with the ball. Konsa was never helping him this season and then when we had Nakamba or McGinn it was even more pointless. Anytime Mings has the ball only one player consistently looks for it thats Luiz, the rest are hiding and even unmarked at times but its not on hence the hoof to Watkins 100% this its crazy how a hoof ball is always put down to the defender not having good passing abilities when in reality its usually because he has absolutely **** all on put a proper full of beans 6 in front of mings (which again, to me a proper 6 is all about movement, no tackling and being strong its about reading the game and being where you need to be both in possession and out of possession) and then judge him - in theory he now has everything around him in martinez, digne, kamara and carlos, now lets see what he does next season - and he was a great defender anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 16 hours ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Maybe they can play together but again Carlos is right in Ming's position. Feels more like Carlos OR Mings to me. But I could be wrong we have seen Ashley Yougn play every position but keeper this season so who knows? Mings average position Diego Carlos average position Konsa (Ming's partner) Jules Kounde (Carlos's partner who sometimes plays RB)https://www.sofascore.com/player/diego-carlos/604232https://www.sofascore.com/player/tyrone-mings/303638https://www.sofascore.com/player/ezri-konsa/827679https://www.sofascore.com/player/jules-kounde/827212 I don’t think CB heatmaps tell you a lot about where they can or can’t play… just means he was picked at LCB last season. Pretty sure playing at RCB won’t be rocket science for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLVillan Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised to see Mings sold and possibly at a marginal profit. I know he was brilliant for us in the championship, but I also don't think he's all that and a bag of chips in the premier league. I could see him going. People talk about his "leadership" but to me you have to be excellent at your own job before anything else. He came into a very quiet team and played with inexperienced and quiet players around him when he first arrived - he's now going to be surrounded by better and more experienced players and isn't as influential as he once was (by default). He's certainly not going to be (happy) on the bench and if we bring in another centre-back he'll be the first out the door imho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, FLVillan said: I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised to see Mings sold and possibly at a marginal profit. I know he was brilliant for us in the championship, but I also don't think he's all that and a bag of chips in the premier league. I could see him going. People talk about his "leadership" but to me you have to be excellent at your own job before anything else. He came into a very quiet team and played with inexperienced and quiet players around him when he first arrived - he's now going to be surrounded by better and more experienced players and isn't as influential as he once was (by default). He's certainly not going to be (happy) on the bench and if we bring in another centre-back he'll be the first out the door imho. We don’t know if this will be the case yet. I also think he’s earned the chance to play with better players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Mings with a quality and experienced defensive partner AND a proper DM in front of him is a different animal. Plus it would be very silly to sell him at this point - especially when Carlos hasn't even kicked a ball for us and Konsa is injured. Personally I think SG will line up with a back line of: Digne - Mings - Carlos - Cash, when the season starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 hour ago, GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS said: Mings with a quality and experienced defensive partner AND a proper DM in front of him is a different animal. Plus it would be very silly to sell him at this point - especially when Carlos hasn't even kicked a ball for us and Konsa is injured. Personally I think SG will line up with a back line of: Digne - Mings - Carlos - Cash, when the season starts. I though he might be sold if we signed Tarkowski, but that doesn't look like it's happening. Would be a bit mad to sell our captain and first choice centre back before even seeing Carlos play. Will probably see a lot of outgoings now but defense and DM are sorted I think. Will probably sign an #8 and a striker, maybe a back up left back and that will be it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, FLVillan said: Mings sold and possibly at a marginal profit Maybe on the sale price but we would make a very big accounting profit. We bought Mings 3 years ago and have already amortised a large portion of the fee, probably about 15m, so we would only have about 7m/8m left to pay for him. If we sold him for 30m that would be a 22m profit this year. Add that to 10m for Davis and our FFP position is looking a lot stronger. The better we make our FFP the more we can invest in players in future windows. Hopefully we will get a good top half finish this year and I would like to see us be in a position to buy an 80m+ striker next summer. The way to do that is to sell players that make profit for the club. It would also help Purslow and NSWE with future investment as they can see that we are capable of generating revenue too Edited May 30, 2022 by Peter Griffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Might get an England call up now White has pulled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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