lexicon Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Mate their are white players which similar accusations are laid against. So either way, it's a REACH. Are the accusations baseless? It is a reach, sure, but I'm really struggling to understand the mentality behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, maqroll said: Wow. Really irresponsible statement. Have a word. Well try and explain why Tyrone's ego is a problem then, because right now it's completely unclear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, lexicon said: Well try and explain why Tyrone's ego is a problem then, because right now it's completely unclear. The ego accusation has never made any sense to me either. I have to admit, at first, I did think maybe race had something to do with it but any talk about ego seems to be solely aimed at Tyrone so I tossed that as the reason. Its to the point now when I see a post about his ego I just laugh and move on. I honestly think it may be a generational thing. Strikers and other attackers are supposed to play with an ego or swagger. Imagine if a striker scored a goal and didn't celebrate everyone would be on here wondering why. Centerbacks are supposed to be stoic and commanding. Any swagger or flamboyancy from that position is immediately seen as a negative since some see it as a sign of carelessness. That's the best I have for it. For me, modern day CBs have to be confident on the ball. If that comes with a little swagger so be it. I'd take that every time over a CB who hoofs it away to the opposition when encountering the slightest bit of danger. Edited November 19, 2021 by Rightdm00 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, lexicon said: Are the accusations baseless? It is a reach, sure, but I'm really struggling to understand the mentality behind it. 26 minutes ago, lexicon said: Well try and explain why Tyrone's ego is a problem then, because right now it's completely unclear. 13 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: The ego accusation has never made any sense to me either. I have to admit, at first, I did think maybe race had something to do with it but any talk about ego seems to be solely aimed at Tyrone so I tossed that as the reason. Its to the point now when I see a post about his ego I just laugh and move on. I honestly think it may be a generational thing. Strikers and other attackers are supposed to play with an ego or swagger. Imagine if a striker scored a goal and didn't celebrate everyone would be on here wondering why. Centerbacks are supposed to be stoic and commanding. Any swagger or flamboyancy from that position is immediately seen as a negative since some see it as a sign of carelessness. That's the best I have for it. For me, modern day CBs have to be confident on the ball. If that comes with a little swagger so be it. I'd take that every time over a CB who hoofs it away to the opposition when encountering the slightest bit of danger. Has Kortney Hause ever been accused of the same thing? Edit: Although I've seen his Instagram posts... Has Nakamba ever been accused of the same thing? Bertrand Traore might have been accused of nonchalance for his playing style as well at times, and I'll tell you, it's because of how he plays and his demeanour, not his colour Ayew was accused of having an ego and being a miserable bastard, not because of his colour, but because of his resting bitch face etc. Has Ngolo Kante ever been accused of ego and/or nonchalance? Again, obviously racism exists, but people try way too hard sometimes. IMO Edited November 19, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Has Kortney Hause ever been accused of the same thing? Edit: Although I've seen his Instagram posts... Has Nakamba ever been accused of the same thing? Bertrand might have been accused of nonchalance for his playing style as well at times, and I'll tell you, it's because of how he plays, not his colour Nakamba frequently gets the 'naive' stereotype thrown at him and it doesn't matter how many times Traore tracks back, he'll always be accused of not working hard enough. Meanwhile John McGinn can light a fart in the centre circle and get praised for his hilarious banter while the other team overrun our midfield for the umpteenth time. Look, I might just be seeing things here that don't exist, but after everything I've seen from the UK over the last 5/10 years or so, I have little faith in the majority of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, lexicon said: Well try and explain why Tyrone's ego is a problem then, because right now it's completely unclear. Lexicon, I don't have to explain anything to you just because you've wildly misinterpreted something. Or are you just puffing out your chest here as a show? As someone else has mentioned, the fact that YOU have interpreted the comment like you have makes YOU look like the one with dodgy ideas in your head. Why bring race into it at all? I included Buendia in the post as well, but you've cherry picked it to suit your inflamatory narrative. Mings was recently dropped and was seen scowling on the bench. Buendia stormed off the pitch down the tunnel. Both examples of inflamed egos. I mentioned it here because it's the Mings thread. You have really overstepped a line here. I've been a member of VT for 16 years and if you'd bothered to get to know me at all, you'd know what a stupid charge that is. Unbelievable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Sheesh, this thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 I don't blame you @Wainy316! Ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Indigo Posted November 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, maqroll said: Mings was recently dropped and was seen scowling on the bench. Buendia stormed off the pitch down the tunnel. Both examples of inflamed egos. Both of these were blown way out of proportion. Buendia walked down the tunnel and came back out within a minute or two with no drama or fuss being reported at all, obviously just had to nip in for some reason. The Mings "face like thunder" thing I don't understand. We were shite, nobody on the bench looked particularly happy. Even still there was a point where the cameras cut to him when commentary was discussing his absence and he and Davis were literally laughing and joking together. Reading into facial expressions seemed like a real reach to fuel the fire further. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 hours ago, lexicon said: Sorry, I wasn't accusing you of that - more the general situation around him. All these accusations him being an ego etc. without any foundation or evidence - I can't see how people come to that sort of conclusion without some sort of discriminatory bias in their heads. No hard feelings, I guess I overreacted too - I'm sure you had good intentions, but I just feel sometimes the race card is used when there is no reasonable assumption that it should have been used. I really like Mings, he is a very good player and seems like a nice guy, but I think he is flamboyant on the pitch and not a steady ship that you'd expect from a top PL CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, maqroll said: Lexicon, I don't have to explain anything to you just because you've wildly misinterpreted something. Or are you just puffing out your chest here as a show? As someone else has mentioned, the fact that YOU have interpreted the comment like you have makes YOU look like the one with dodgy ideas in your head. Why bring race into it at all? I included Buendia in the post as well, but you've cherry picked it to suit your inflamatory narrative. Mings was recently dropped and was seen scowling on the bench. Buendia stormed off the pitch down the tunnel. Both examples of inflamed egos. I mentioned it here because it's the Mings thread. You have really overstepped a line here. I've been a member of VT for 16 years and if you'd bothered to get to know me at all, you'd know what a stupid charge that is. Unbelievable. Why is looking unhappy on the bench a sign of an ego? Is he supposed to be thrilled that he's not playing? You're throwing out baseless accusations at Mings and this is a forum - people are going to call you out if they think you're talking nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigy1874 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Boring thread, can we get back to talking about our skipper please? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rightdm00 Posted November 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 19, 2021 32 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Has Kortney Hause ever been accused of the same thing? Edit: Although I've seen his Instagram posts... Has Nakamba ever been accused of the same thing? Bertrand Traore might have been accused of nonchalance for his playing style as well at times, and I'll tell you, it's because of how he plays and his demeanour, not his colour Ayew was accused of having an ego and being a miserable bastard, not because of his colour, but because of his resting bitch face etc. Has Ngolo Kante ever been accused of ego and/or nonchalance? Again, obviously racism exists, but people try way too hard sometimes. IMO As I stated in my post I don't think it was racism. Did you read it? Racism is a difficult topic to discuss. I'm black so it comes easy to me but I can see how others find it super tricky. You obviously don't have the ability to determine why someone holds the opinion they do. If racism exist, as you acknowledged, then it's fair to ask the question especially when an individual can't back up their claim. Asking the question is fine but lobbing accusations against a person is completely different. That's a line that shouldn't be crossed unless you know for certain and even then has to be handled with a bit of tact. Back on topic. Pretty much everytime the Mings attitude/ego stuff comes up it's never backed up with anything substantial. If people want to lob accusations at a player they should be ready to provide backing to their opinion. This is a discussion form, right? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, lexicon said: Why is looking unhappy on the bench a sign of an ego? Is he supposed to be thrilled that he's not playing? You're throwing out baseless accusations at Mings and this is a forum - people are going to call you out if they think you're talking nonsense. Then if you think I'm talking nonsense, try telling me so without trying to turn me into a Klan member. You are not an arbiter here. If you are going to make that kind of accusation, which is one degree short of being called a pedophile, you'd better be sure it fits a pattern of posts, or leaves no room for misinterpretation. Because it doesn't meet either criteria, I think you owe me an apology. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 51 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Has Kortney Hause ever been accused of the same thing? Edit: Although I've seen his Instagram posts... I don't mind Hause as a player despite his faults, but man I hate how he comes across on Insta. Had to unfollow him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, Tom13 said: I don't mind Hause as a player despite his faults, but man I hate how he comes across on Insta. Had to unfollow him. Why, are you racist? (Obviously just kidding) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, maqroll said: Then if you think I'm talking nonsense, try telling me so without trying to turn me into a Klan member. You are not an arbiter here. If you are going to make that kind of accusation, which is one degree short of being called a pedophile, you'd better be sure it fits a pattern of posts, or leaves no room for misinterpretation. Because it doesn't meet either criteria, I think you owe me an apology. I've not directly accused you of racism and I've asked for an explanation several times because I think you're baselessly labelling one of our players and I'm trying to find out why. I'm not claiming to be any sort of arbiter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, Tom13 said: I don't mind Hause as a player despite his faults, but man I hate how he comes across on Insta. Had to unfollow him. Aspiring " Roadman/Rapper/Fashionista " lmao. It's quite cringe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, lexicon said: I've not directly accused you of racism and I've asked for an explanation several times because I think you're baselessly labelling one of our players and I'm trying to find out why. I'm not claiming to be any sort of arbiter. Well, good. I could very well have misread Mings and Buendia's body language. I'm happy to be enlightened on the matter. I also hope you aren't quite so quick to assume the absolute worst about your fellow Villa Talkers in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 hour ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Mate their are white players which similar accusations are laid against. So either way, it's a REACH. We look for what we want. I used to say similar things about the Golden Boy, previously known as Mr. Aston Villa. Unless I'm reverse racisming, which I'll then be told doesn't exist. It doesn’t exist Also, I’m throwing in my support to the Mings for Prime Minister campaign! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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