Mic09 Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 29 minutes ago, Keyblade said: I don't know these people personally, I can only judge their actions. I'm struggling to think why else one would gleefully sing such a song? It's a mob effect. 10 German bombers in the air, but many people singing it wouldn't celebrate deaths of Germans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 5 hours ago, StanBalaban said: If anyone on here speaks Spanish, these are the supposed lyrics to the song Emi is singing. @Daulmakan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 33 minutes ago, sne said: A couple of them probably are. Law of averages you probably get a couple racists, transfobes and even vegans. Worse than Hitler! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted July 17 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17 If you look at the history of Argentina in the 1930’s and after WW2, a lot of Germans migrated to Argentina especially members of the Nazi party. At one stage it was approx 5% of the population. It’s not a surprise that after 3-4 generations those opinions appear in small parts of the population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 1 minute ago, QldVilla said: If you look at the history of Argentina in the 1930’s and after WW2, a lot of Germans migrated to Argentina especially members of the Nazi party. At one stage it was approx 5% of the population. It’s not a surprise that after 3-4 generations those opinions appear in small parts of the population. Hardly has to be Nazi or German to be racist thou. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 17 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17 (edited) Full BBC and Sky Sports News coverage of this, no mention of Martinez made in either report. Edit - nor from lefty snowflake cancel culture Guardian either...unless they've spelt his name wrong. Edited July 17 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 Anti-Blackness runs deep in Argentina “Argentina needs to understand that it is both very racist and very Afro,” said black activist and researcher Alí Delgado. University lecturer Patricia Gomes is another Afro-descendant researcher intent on demolishing Argentina’s mythical self-image as a white nation. “In Argentina it used to be said that here there were no blacks, therefore there was no one to be racist with – and hence there was no racism,” she said. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/31/argentina-white-european-racism-history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted July 17 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17 5 minutes ago, sne said: Hardly has to be Nazi or German to be racist thou. Your right. But there is a special history with them and Argentina, and not a surprise that it could play a small part in some communities along with poor education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 1 minute ago, QldVilla said: Your right. But there is a special history with them and Argentina, and not a surprise that it could play a small part in some communities along with poor education. Think that's a stretch tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterSw Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 4 minutes ago, sidcow said: Full BBC and Sky Sports News coverage of this, no mention of Martinez made in either report. Edit - nor from lefty snowflake cancel culture Guardian either...unless they've spelt his name wrong. Apparently it's been confirmed that Emi, Messi, MacAlister, Laturo Martinez and Otamendi were not on the bus. J.Alvarez was sat beside Enzo. Saw a photo of them on Twitter/X 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted July 17 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17 1 minute ago, sne said: Think that's a stretch tbh. There’s a movie about Adolf Eichmann on Netflix that shows how the mossad kidnapped him from Argentina. This was the 1960’s. To say future generations weren’t affected by this ideology although diluted isn’t a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 4 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Yes, but what is a stretch is bringing Eichmann to a conversation where a few millionaire kids sing about idiotic careless things on a bus. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 If he was singing he should apologise to our French players when he gets back. He probably was signing you'd imagine. Other than that more Enzo who should be disciplined for recording and posting it to Instagram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 11 hours ago, duke313 said: It’s only disappointing if he was singing in the racist song. You can’t tar everyone with the same brush just be I they were on the bus. If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis If you don't shut it down immediately you sre part of the problem. Emi is one of the team leaders and if Messi isn't on the bus he should get them to stop. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 There's a post come out from Jackson trying to defend Enzo. Don't think it's gone down to well. I expect a public apology from all involved soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 1 hour ago, Mic09 said: It's a mob effect. 10 German bombers in the air, but many people singing it wouldn't celebrate deaths of Germans. Think it's pretty damn different. For one 10 German bombers is a celebration of defending the nation from a hostile invasive power that were literally nazis. It's pretty nationalistic, but I wouldn't describe it as racist. For another it doesn't say that because you are a different skin tone you can't be European. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 4 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: Think it's pretty damn different. For one 10 German bombers is a celebration of defending the nation from a hostile invasive power that were literally nazis. It's pretty nationalistic, but I wouldn't describe it as racist. For another it doesn't say that because you are a different skin tone you can't be European. I didn't equate the two - I described a situation where a stupid song with connotations of 'we have killed someone, let's celebrate' is sang by a wider public without a 2nd thought. People are generally good and care for each other. Once you get into groups a stupid dynamic of diluted responsibility takes place. I would like to think Enzo would not sing that in the Chelsea changing room on his own. But he (and others) would gladly do so in the right circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 15 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: Think it's pretty damn different. For one 10 German bombers is a celebration of defending the nation from a hostile invasive power that were literally nazis. It's pretty nationalistic, but I wouldn't describe it as racist. For another it doesn't say that because you are a different skin tone you can't be European. I don't think that's what the song said, did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 17 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis If you don't shut it down immediately you sre part of the problem. Emi is one of the team leaders and if Messi isn't on the bus he should get them to stop. No, you'd have a Nazi and 10 people talking to them. Political views aren't like a contagious disease that you catch via proximity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TreeVillan Posted July 17 Popular Post Share Posted July 17 What the bloody hell have I walked into here? I saw the thread trending and I dropped a brick. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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