chrisvilla4 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 The perfect player for someone with Tourettes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 In regards to the Fuchs link. I can’t help but think about the players we send out on loan. We have young players who aren’t ready, so we send them out on loan to lesser teams where it’s more their current level and where they’ll get game time. Why do we never look at taking on more young players from teams in the prem? We seem to be developing a pattern the last few years of taking on players at the ends of their careers, when their own club doesn’t want them any more. There will be plenty of young, talented players in the prem where a season in the championship would be great for them and us. I know we have Tuanzebe but surely if we are looking at loans then people like Fuchs aren’t the answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 If we sign Fuchs I really do give up. The guy can't run, he has less legs than Hutton and Taylor and wasn't exactly brilliant in his prime. Any other players coming to the end of their careers we want to go after? Let's get Samba back whilst we are at it and tie Hutton,Jedi and Whelan down to new deals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 18 minutes ago, 7392craig said: In regards to the Fuchs link. I can’t help but think about the players we send out on loan. We have young players who aren’t ready, so we send them out on loan to lesser teams where it’s more their current level and where they’ll get game time. Why do we never look at taking on more young players from teams in the prem? We seem to be developing a pattern the last few years of taking on players at the ends of their careers, when their own club doesn’t want them any more. There will be plenty of young, talented players in the prem where a season in the championship would be great for them and us. I know we have Tuanzebe but surely if we are looking at loans then people like Fuchs aren’t the answer. If we loan players going forward it should be with an option to buy, me and many others on this forum have said for a while we shouldn't be developing other teams talent and then losing them for no benefit to ourselves. DS has also said the same recently so that makes me really happy. We should either develop our own players, or if we have to loan players, loan them only with a view to buying them if they do well. Hause is a perfect example, if he does well we have an option to buy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Option to buy just means you have first chance for them to turn down your offer, it means nothing no matter how the club tries to spin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, rodders0223 said: Option to buy just means you have first chance for them to turn down your offer, it means nothing no matter how the club tries to spin it. No, not necessarily. First option is different from a fixed future transfer fee. Contracts are written all kinds of different ways, it depends on what the two clubs agree to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Just now, KMitch said: No, not necessarily. First option is different from a fixed future transfer fee. Contracts are written all kinds of different ways, it depends on what the two clubs agree to. Yes. Various stipulations etc. depending on the deal etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Yes. Various stipulations etc. depending on the deal etc. 2 minutes ago, KMitch said: No, not necessarily. First option is different from a fixed future transfer fee. Contracts are written all kinds of different ways, it depends on what the two clubs agree to. ..but the player still hasn't agreed to a deal with us> We can have option to buy, or first option or an agreed price but if he has a storming season it means **** all if Wolves tell him he will get a chance or a PL team come in for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, rodders0223 said: ..but the player still hasn't agreed to a deal with us> We can have option to buy, or first option or an agreed price but if he has a storming season it means **** all if Wolves tell him he will get a chance or a PL team come in for him. I think things like this have now started creeping into the game more nowadays for sure rather than years ago when there was not as much money, less agents and more gentleman's agreements in the game. I get where you're at Rodders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, MaVilla said: If we loan players going forward it should be with an option to buy, me and many others on this forum have said for a while we shouldn't be developing other teams talent and then losing them for no benefit to ourselves. DS has also said the same recently so that makes me really happy. We should either develop our own players, or if we have to loan players, loan them only with a view to buying them if they do well. Hause is a perfect example, if he does well we have an option to buy. I completely agree, generally I’m against loans. If we have to loan though, it should be players who are either at their peak (unlikely) or young players still hungry to improve. Preferably as you say, with the option to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: ..but the player still hasn't agreed to a deal with us> We can have option to buy, or first option or an agreed price but if he has a storming season it means **** all if Wolves tell him he will get a chance or a PL team come in for him. Dude, that happens with every single transfer. First, the two clubs agree to a fee, then the buying club has permission from the selling club to negotiate a contract with the player. The player can refuse the contract and the move. This has nothing to do with the original discussion about putting in fixed fees in loan agreements with the two clubs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Fuchs a good player I think. Not the profile I want to bring in particularly though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killeen30 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 No to Fuchs. We need to stop this type of activity in the transfer market. I desperately hope that this is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royken86 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Fuchs no! Need young talented player with something to prove not oldtimers at the end of their career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I thought Hause was only a loan because he was carrying some sort of injury and so we are giving ourselves more time to make sure it’s nothing serious, like subsidence or rising damp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post praisedmambo Posted January 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 12, 2019 If there are no perfectly priced, available youngsters, we're OK with another loan though right? One of our best players this season is on loan—same last season. If we'd have gone up none of this flavour of the month anti-loan commentary would exist. Fine margins. IMO loans are fine, but they are obviously a short-term fix. I wouldn't turn my nose up at a decent CDM on loan for example if there are no perfect, mystical, young CDMs available this January. Why cut our nose to spite our face? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 9 hours ago, KMitch said: Dude, that happens with every single transfer. First, the two clubs agree to a fee, then the buying club has permission from the selling club to negotiate a contract with the player. The player can refuse the contract and the move. This has nothing to do with the original discussion about putting in fixed fees in loan agreements with the two clubs. Well it does because the club is spinning this no loan deals no benefit to our club spiel yet have signed Hause who will only benefit Wolves if he has a great season (optional fee included) and are now linked to Fuchs. Our transfer policy is shite and has been for a decade. Shows no sign of changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny from donny Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Depends (as Rigo said) on the wording of the loan deal. If we have an option to buy in our favour, the transfer fee will most likely be agreed and it's up to us to say yes or no; think Scott Carson for example. We loaned out some players with an obligation to buy previously. It's all in the fine print. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted January 12, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, rodders0223 said: Well it does because the club is spinning this no loan deals no benefit to our club spiel yet have signed Hause who will only benefit Wolves if he has a great season (optional fee included) and are now linked to Fuchs. Our transfer policy is shite and has been for a decade. Shows no sign of changing. Early days, and a squad in desperate need of balancing up ASAP. Not even sure if we've finished rebuilding the scouting side of the cub yet either. Priority right now is to be able to finish in the play off spots, and to do that we need to be in a situation where a couple of injuries to defenders doesn't leave us playing without a defence. How we do that at this point I don't care. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I wouldn't be turning our nose up at players because they are short term. If they help us get promoted who cares if they're not our player in July? We have no option at left back with any kind of quality except perhaps Hause in an emergency. And who knows how good he is. Im not saying we should get Fuched... but I wouldn't turn down players on loan to fill a desperate need. And of course have one eye on the long term as well if possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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