villa4europe Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 minute ago, DCJonah said: I'd rather go down with smith Yep me too Replace Smith by all means but not with a short term answer who we all want sacked in 18 months 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 minute ago, DCJonah said: I'd rather go down with smith For me its 1) stop losing 2) start winning 3) survive 4) keep winning whilst playing attractive football. I think someone like big Sam can cover 1) to 3) and then we change it again in a year or 2. We can’t fast track to 4). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I honestly love the bloke. We shouldn't be swayed too much just by him being "one of us", but the more I think about it, the more pissed off I am. The players we have aren't good enough, and it seems he's not the guy who actually signs off on the players. Half of them clearly can't be ****, either. You see Grealish **** screaming at them to put some effort in. It shouldn't take a good manager to tell you to **** run instead of saunter, or to close your man down. I'd happily sack half the **** squad, to be honest. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbcuk Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 If we do go down, it’ll be yet another rebuild, can’t see hardly any of these staying, grealish certainly won’t next season after his performances so far, we’ll be **** if we do go down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Yep me too Replace Smith by all means but not with a short term answer who we all want sacked in 18 months 18 months might as well be an eternity for managers. If he comes in and actually holds our support for 18 months, I'd say he's already done decently well. Smith hasn't even lasted that long before the fans have started to significantly turn on him. Edited December 28, 2019 by Laughable Chimp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Genie said: For me its 1) stop losing 2) start winning 3) survive 4) keep winning whilst playing attractive football. I think someone like big Sam can cover 1) to 3) and then we change it again in a year or 2. We can’t fast track to 4). Big Sam isn't keeping this team up. The squad is shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Allardyce wouldn't want to take over this mess. Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Willard Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Why don't we get Steve Bruce. He is a better version of Fat Sam... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Just now, DCJonah said: Big Sam isn't keeping this team up. The squad is shit So were the performances at the start of the season him getting great performances from dogshit players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I'd rather go down with smith This is no time to discuss your carnal desires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Farlz Posted December 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2019 The thing is I honestly believe the squad isn't shite. I'm sure I posted at the start of the season that i'd seen enough in the performances to believe we'll be fine, there's good players here. I really can't get my head around what is going on. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I want Deano to stay on even if we go down. We finally got a man that wants to play expansive modern football. He is genuine and doesn't hide even when it goes tough. And it's tough now, we all know that. Getting in a new manager or old clogger, and reversing what we're trying to become simply cause we are having a rough patch is just moronic and how you never reach the levels you wanna be. Ultimately we got too many players that aren't good enough. Hourihane, Lansbury, Jota, Elmo are just crap and never PL level players. It's obviously hard for us and Deano when we have to ask someone to better than what they are. Doesn't matter what name the manager has when these are our squad players. Lets hope we get in the right players in January and can move on from this bad spell, much like we did last season. I am not saying Deano doesn't have lots to learn, but that's how it is. I don't want to be the type of club that sacks a manager after signing a brand new team after promotion, simply cause you aren't melting away the opposition after 6 months. That to me is absolute lunacy. Not that I suspect this will land with the kneejerk on here now, but we are just 2 points from safe ground. Half the season to go. Enjoy your Holidays. Lots of football coming up between now and 12th of January... I'm FAR from knee jerk. Like many, I want/have wanted it to work out for Deano desperately, but this is painful. It's not just the "defeats", it's the manner of them and the decision making about them. Yes some of (Alot of) the players are obviously not helping, but these are the SAME players who showed so much promise at points during the season. Granted, it is also the SAME manager who has managed the few brilliant performances we have had. However something is obviously terribly wrong, whether something has happened behind the scenes, there has been a falling out, or he is just being stubborn. Yes we have injuries, but we are SOOOO poor at even the basics for the love of god. Even the poorest teams smell blood against us and start to brush us aside embarrassingly. The thing is, now, he has changed it up for the past 2 games or so and we are still ridiculously poor, I've seen this movie before. I backed Bruce 100 percent until a certain point then I was done (Even though I genuinely don't really like the man) I've backed Deano, and sold myself everything everything positive has been saying, but I've been edging here for the past couple of weeks, I might feel differently tomorrow after cooling down but NO, i'm not looking forward to another relegation and us being further surpasses by tinpot clubs ffs. We can blame the inujuries, but we were poor before those too. Something is SERIOUSLY wrong,a nd I fear "better players" might paper over cracks. Similarly to when we were scraping wins under Bruce pureley due to moments of individual brilliance. What is even more frustrating is that for all the positive and encouraging talk he makes about football, tactics etc, he has started to turn into a scared manager. I like Deano alot but WTF? Anyway I need to sleep on this, as it stands I'm more SAD than anything else ffs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: It does make sense he should be able to take us up, I agree. However... No Jack Grealish. 433 every game. What happens when we've won 1 of 5 at the start of next season? I'll tell you, it'll be 433 again the next game and the same tactics and players. This thought concerns me. Imagine Wes standing around at Peterborough away as we go down 3-0 with Hourihane waving his arms at the ref for their third. Grim. This is just as possible as Smith getting us promoted, however he won't change the system so it's more likely we finish mid table next season and look bang average. Time for a change and yes I would take Big Sam to the end of the season, in fact he would stand more chance of getting us promoted again than Smith would. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Is Tony Pulis available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonVillian Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 minute ago, DCJonah said: Big Sam isn't keeping this team up. The squad is shit So sheffield united have a better squad than everton,united, tottenham etc? Tactics and workrate are the difference the squad we have is capable of much more under better managment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: It does make sense he should be able to take us up, I agree. However... No Jack Grealish. 433 every game. What happens when we've won 1 of 5 at the start of next season? I'll tell you, it'll be 433 again the next game and the same tactics and players. This thought concerns me. Imagine Wes standing around at Peterborough away as we go down 3-0 with Hourihane waving his arms at the ref for their third. Grim. This is just as possible as Smith getting us promoted, however he won't change the system so it's more likely we finish mid table next season and look bang average. Time for a change and yes I would take Big Sam to the end of the season, in fact he would stand more chance of getting us promoted again than Smith would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okonokos Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Just read this last page. Are people seriously suggesting Allardyce or having a joke? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: It does make sense he should be able to take us up, I agree. However... No Jack Grealish. 433 every game. What happens when we've won 1 of 5 at the start of next season? I'll tell you, it'll be 433 again the next game and the same tactics and players. This thought concerns me. Imagine Wes standing around at Peterborough away as we go down 3-0 with Hourihane waving his arms at the ref for their third. Grim. This is just as possible as Smith getting us promoted, however he won't change the system so it's more likely we finish mid table next season and look bang average. Time for a change and yes I would take Big Sam to the end of the season, in fact he would stand more chance of getting us promoted again than Smith would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: It does make sense he should be able to take us up, I agree. However... No Jack Grealish. 433 every game. What happens when we've won 1 of 5 at the start of next season? I'll tell you, it'll be 433 again the next game and the same tactics and players. This thought concerns me. Imagine Wes standing around at Peterborough away as we go down 3-0 with Hourihane waving his arms at the ref for their third. Grim. This is just as possible as Smith getting us promoted, however he won't change the system so it's more likely we finish mid table next season and look bang average. Time for a change and yes I would take Big Sam to the end of the season, in fact he would stand more chance of getting us promoted again than Smith would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: So were the performances at the start of the season him getting great performances from dogshit players? Think Mings and Mcginn make a difference and I think the positivity from the summer helped. But now all I see are players not physically up to it. I don't see a change in manager suddenly making that ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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