Zatman Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, LondonVillian said: Think many people rose tint dean smith just because he was a villa fan. IMO he was bang average and was carried by grealish who was able to mask his lack of tactical depth. When grealish didnt play we had no plan B. Yet still probably the most successful Villa manager in the last 20 years though Unai should better this Grealish thing is a cop out though, yes Smith indulged him but quite ignorant to say was all Grealish. Considering Mings, McGinn, Emi, Luiz, El Ghazi, Trezeguet, Hourihane, Konsa and a few more made vital contributions. After lockdown Grealish wasnt one of our better performers Edited September 11, 2023 by Zatman 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonVillian Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: Yet still probably the most successful Villa manager in the last 20 years though Unai should better this Grealish thing is a cop out though, yes Smith indulged him but quite ignorant to say was all Grealish. Considering Mings, McGinn, Emi, Luiz, El Ghazi, Trezeguet, Hourihane, Konsa and a few more made vital contributions. After lockdown Grealish wasnt one of our better performers I'd say Martin O'neil was more successful in the last 20 years. Dean Smith has a lower Win % than Steve Bruce. It's not a cop out we were abysmal in the championship when grealish was injured he pretty much single handed got us to the play offs when he came back. Admittedly in the prem season we bought watkins who scored 14 goals and el ghazi scored 10 so was less so but out play patterns were still get the ball to grealish at all costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Will always appreciate the job he did here, getting us out of the championship and establishing us in the premier league. But I always felt there was a ceiling on what he could achieve here and still maintain it was the right time for him to leave. Even if we got the first appointment wrong.. It's actually nice that he left while still being well thought of by the majority of the fan base too. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 hour ago, LondonVillian said: I'd say Martin O'neil was more successful in the last 20 years. Dean Smith has a lower Win % than Steve Bruce. It's not a cop out we were abysmal in the championship when grealish was injured he pretty much single handed got us to the play offs when he came back. Admittedly in the prem season we bought watkins who scored 14 goals and el ghazi scored 10 so was less so but out play patterns were still get the ball to grealish at all costs. O'Leary achieved as much as O'Neill the ultimate opportunist charlatan. Playoff win was more than any manager has done this century. A dodgy corner probably cost us a trophy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mark Albrighton Posted September 11, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2023 2 hours ago, LondonVillian said: I'd say Martin O'neil was more successful in the last 20 years. Dean Smith has a lower Win % than Steve Bruce. It's not a cop out we were abysmal in the championship when grealish was injured he pretty much single handed got us to the play offs when he came back. Admittedly in the prem season we bought watkins who scored 14 goals and el ghazi scored 10 so was less so but out play patterns were still get the ball to grealish at all costs. I think Steve Bruce’s win ratio made up of championship games can’t fairly be compared to Smith championship/premier league games. As for Grealish, of course he was key. And Smith’s set up was too reliant on him, and he ultimately paid for that. But if it was all down to Grealish, I don’t understand why we weren’t in a play off position when Smith took over. Grealish was involved in the prior dozen games, didn’t seem to have us flying like he did later on. Perhaps Smith knew what he had and knew how to get the best out of him on a consistent basis, and as a consequence, get the best out of the team. Something that previous managers hadn’t achieved. Rose tinted specs for someone in charge for a record breaking winning run and promotion at the first attempt? Considering this fan base of a certain age looks back wistfully on Phil King for once taking a penalty, I think the rose tinted specs for Smith are fairly well earned. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lapal_fan Posted September 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2023 Yea, he was pretty dumb playing through Grealish, I mean, he's done nothing apart from win a treble with probably the best team in the world. Fancy using him as a plan in the championship! 7 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 We should strike off Pep's treble, was being carried by Haaland after all. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Keyblade said: We should strike off Pep's treble, was being carried by Haaland after all. We all know trebles don't count unless all goals are shared equally between 11 players who were born within 2.75 miles of their hometown clubs!!!!!!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonVillian Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, lapal_fan said: Yea, he was pretty dumb playing through Grealish, I mean, he's done nothing apart from win a treble with probably the best team in the world. Fancy using him as a plan in the championship! I said we didnt have a plan b. Not that Grealish was not the correct plan a get a grip. Edited September 12, 2023 by LondonVillian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonVillian Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, Zatman said: O'Leary achieved as much as O'Neill the ultimate opportunist charlatan. Playoff win was more than any manager has done this century. A dodgy corner probably cost us a trophy O'leary finished 6th once, then he finished 10th then 16th - completely laughable to compare him to Oneil's 3 6th place finishes and being robbed in the league cup final by the non vidic red card. Edited September 12, 2023 by LondonVillian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 24 minutes ago, LondonVillian said: O'leary finished 6th once, then he finished 10th then 16th - completely laughable to compare him to Oneil's 3 6th place finishes and being robbed in the league cup final by the non vidic red card. O' Leary spent about 30 million in 3 seasons while O'Neill had us on more than one occasions among Europe top spenders. Charlatan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 On 10/09/2023 at 22:47, Zatman said: He could be a candidate for the Ireland job if he is interested as I expect Kenny to be sacked soon Don't think the FAI would be able to offer a financial package to tempt him. Ireland will be appointing some one on the cheap. Chris Houghton maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 minute ago, villa89 said: Don't think the FAI would be able to offer a financial package to tempt him. Ireland will be appointing some one on the cheap. Chris Houghton maybe. Hughton is currently employed so doubt FAI will go for a compo manager. Ireland job be a better way into the job market than his last 2 jobs. Look at Steve Clarke, he probably will get a decent job after Scotland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonVillian Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Zatman said: O' Leary spent about 30 million in 3 seasons while O'Neill had us on more than one occasions among Europe top spenders. Charlatan Still didn't achieve the same though did they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 48 minutes ago, LondonVillian said: Still didn't achieve the same though did they? Winning nothing is an achievement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 MON didn't achieve anything with us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 You say a dodgy corner cost us a trophy, so surely MON should be afforded the same grace with a non existent red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonVillian Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Zatman said: Winning nothing is an achievement? Getting into Europe is an achievement yes, getting to a cup final is also an achievement. 3 hours ago, mikeyp102 said: You say a dodgy corner cost us a trophy, so surely MON should be afforded the same grace with a non existent red Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KentVillan Posted September 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2023 Smith left a legacy at Villa. He got the fans buzzing about the club again and actually liking the players. Many of his key men he brought in - Mings, Martinez, Konsa, Watkins, Cash, Dougie Luiz - are still key players. Yes he hit a ceiling (although he was much better than Gerrard) and clearly we have a better manager now. But he did a lot for Villa, and it was more than just being a fan. Sad to see the direction his career has gone in since, but will always be grateful. 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naaaaarch Posted September 13, 2023 Visiting Supporter Share Posted September 13, 2023 If Smith still has passion for management then he needs to be particularly careful with his next job. He needs a chairman that will afford him 3 transfer windows minimum. I could see him hoping Carrick's awful start at Boro continues, he's certainly the type of manager I could see Steve Gibson appointing. The standard of manager in the Championship is actually very good at the moment. Hypothetical but I can't see many sets of fans wanting a swap for Smith if offered. Of the jobs probably coming up soon he should avoid Wednesday and QPR like the plague (unless he gets to build Wednesday next season in L1). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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