Peter Griffin Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 23 minutes ago, tomav84 said: brighton have spent shitloads of money, people often forget that They have in their arse spent shit loads of money. We are like Man City in spending compared to Brighton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tomav84 Posted September 26, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: They have in their arse spent shit loads of money. We are like Man City in spending compared to Brighton last 5 years our net spend has been just 5m more than brightons 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter Griffin Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, tomav84 said: last 5 years our net spend has been just 5m more than brightons Of the last 5 years we have been in the Championship for 2 of them and Brighton have been in the PL for 5 of them. Not exactly comparing like with like. Also, you have now added the 'net spend' caveat' to your assertion as opposed to just spending shitloads. It is kind of convenient for your argument that we have just sold a player for a record transfer fee to an English club of 100m. The actual numbers as per transfermarkt are below. If you don't think we are massively outspending Brighton you have your head in the sand. Look at our spend on players since we got promoted. EDIT: That doesn't include significant loan fees for Tammy, Bolasie, Tuanzebe (twice), Mings, Barkley, Drinkwater, Onomah, Johnstone, Snodgrass, Carroll and Reina. Edited September 26, 2021 by Peter Griffin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, villalad21 said: Then why is Potter getting all sort of praises? Seven years at Ostersund where he became (I would guess) the only English manager in European competition for a foreign club (or possibly at all)? I think it’s an interesting point actually that if Smith had done a few years coaching in France or Switzerland instead of Walsall and West London he might have a bit more glamour attached by the media. Slightly different but Potter has a bit of the Hodgson vibe before his return to the PL. Interesting European narratives (and a good coach). Edited September 26, 2021 by Adam2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jono62 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 I imagine he'll be walking into Villa Park tomorrow with his cane strutting his stuff while Biggie's Hypnotize plays over the tannoy after this win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Jono62 said: I imagine he'll be walking into Villa Park tomorrow with his cane strutting his stuff while Biggie's Hypnotize plays over the tannoy after this win. It will be a happy day at training tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 2 hours ago, villalad21 said: Then why is Potter getting all sort of praises? I don't buy into this theory of yours. If Smith keeps winning he will get his recognition. For how long? I'm interested as to what your personal cut off point is for recognising his ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2021 55 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: Of the last 5 years we have been in the Championship for 2 of them and Brighton have been in the PL for 5 of them. Not exactly comparing like with like. Also, you have now added the 'net spend' caveat' to your assertion as opposed to just spending shitloads. It is kind of convenient for your argument that we have just sold a player for a record transfer fee to an English club of 100m. The actual numbers as per transfermarkt are below. If you don't think we are massively outspending Brighton you have your head in the sand. Look at our spend on players since we got promoted. EDIT: That doesn't include significant loan fees for Tammy, Bolasie, Tuanzebe (twice), Mings, Barkley, Drinkwater, Onomah, Johnstone, Snodgrass, Carroll and Reina. This doesn't really negate the point that Brighton have spent £282m building their squad? That's not a dig on their progress and their ambition, but the facts are what they are. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keyblade Posted September 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Peter Griffin said: Of the last 5 years we have been in the Championship for 2 of them and Brighton have been in the PL for 5 of them. Not exactly comparing like with like. Also, you have now added the 'net spend' caveat' to your assertion as opposed to just spending shitloads. It is kind of convenient for your argument that we have just sold a player for a record transfer fee to an English club of 100m. The actual numbers as per transfermarkt are below. If you don't think we are massively outspending Brighton you have your head in the sand. Look at our spend on players since we got promoted. EDIT: That doesn't include significant loan fees for Tammy, Bolasie, Tuanzebe (twice), Mings, Barkley, Drinkwater, Onomah, Johnstone, Snodgrass, Carroll and Reina. We had to make up those 2 years they had on us in the PL, not sure why we're discounting that. Our first season back we spent 143m putting together a squad from near-scratch that could compete in the league that Brighton were entering their third season in. It's not like we were dropping 30m per player. Our spending since then has decreased, even after netting 100m this season from the Grealish sale because we have a decent squad now. We are outspending them, but I wouldn't say massively so. They've spent quite a bit of money since being promoted, and we've spent a little more. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted September 27, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 27, 2021 9 hours ago, Peter Griffin said: Of the last 5 years we have been in the Championship for 2 of them and Brighton have been in the PL for 5 of them. Not exactly comparing like with like. Also, you have now added the 'net spend' caveat' to your assertion as opposed to just spending shitloads. It is kind of convenient for your argument that we have just sold a player for a record transfer fee to an English club of 100m. The actual numbers as per transfermarkt are below. If you don't think we are massively outspending Brighton you have your head in the sand. Look at our spend on players since we got promoted. EDIT: That doesn't include significant loan fees for Tammy, Bolasie, Tuanzebe (twice), Mings, Barkley, Drinkwater, Onomah, Johnstone, Snodgrass, Carroll and Reina. and they just got 50m themselves for one player for the money spent were i a brighton fan, i'd be expecting better. certainly don't get why potter gets such plaudits when smith doesn't (which was my original point) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSvillain Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 10 hours ago, Peter Griffin said: They have in their arse spent shit loads of money. We are like Man City in spending compared to Brighton Can you expand on this point please, I'd really like to see a chart of man city vs villa vs. Brighton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Woody1000 Posted September 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2021 I’m sorry but I hate this chip on our shoulder that we get about the media/other clubs supporters and how they view our manager or players. Let’s be honest as soon as it becomes widely recognised that we’ve got a top person within our ranks, it doesn’t usually end well. As long as we know how good they are, and they’re doing the business for us then it’s all that matters surely? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Peter Griffin said: Of the last 5 years we have been in the Championship for 2 of them and Brighton have been in the PL for 5 of them. Not exactly comparing like with like. Also, you have now added the 'net spend' caveat' to your assertion as opposed to just spending shitloads. It is kind of convenient for your argument that we have just sold a player for a record transfer fee to an English club of 100m. The actual numbers as per transfermarkt are below. If you don't think we are massively outspending Brighton you have your head in the sand. Look at our spend on players since we got promoted. EDIT: That doesn't include significant loan fees for Tammy, Bolasie, Tuanzebe (twice), Mings, Barkley, Drinkwater, Onomah, Johnstone, Snodgrass, Carroll and Reina. Five years ago we were a mess that almost went into administration in the Championship, propped up by loans from Premier League teams, and they were an actual, functional Premier League team. Our spend includes about £65 million on the loan players, or replacing the loan players, from our promotion season. They've built from a much more solid place (they were a good Championship team for a while) and have been able to build sensibly. We had a few years of bored or mad-charlatan owners almost crippling us, and had to spend a little quicker all at once. Both teams appear to have invested solidly over the last period, but most comparisons work in Smith's favour if you consider the context. Edited September 27, 2021 by Rolta 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Brighton are doing bloody well and are spending consistently. We are outspending them currently and if we continue doing that we'll be more looking at Leicester as our comparison. But as it stands, Brighton is a bloody good comparison. Stats would say they under performed last year as they were keeping clean sheets and creating a lot of chances. If they can keep up being more clinical then they'll have a very similar season to us last season, maybe they won't effectively boycott 3 months of the season and end up having a better one than we did. I love Dean. I don't want him to leave for a very a long time. But if he was to go, we could do a lot worse than fellow Villan, Potter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Nothing in football is more annoying than Net spend. It's totally irrelevant yet people always use it as a basis of an argument. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 9 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: This doesn't really negate the point that Brighton have spent £282m building their squad? That's not a dig on their progress and their ambition, but the facts are what they are. Agreed, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, HalfTimePost said: I love Dean. I don't want him to leave for a very a long time. But if he was to go, we could do a lot worse than fellow Villan, Potter Yep, Dean is great and Potter would be a good replacement if the time came where we needed a replacement. However, I suspect Potter may be at a bigger club than Brighton long before Dean's position at Villa comes under threat. If Villa add a 4th consecutive loss to 3 goals next weekend, Nuno could find himself having a very short tenure at Spurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 43 minutes ago, Woody1000 said: I’m sorry but I hate this chip on our shoulder that we get about the media/other clubs supporters and how they view our manager or players. Let’s be honest as soon as it becomes widely recognised that we’ve got a top person within our ranks, it doesn’t usually end well. As long as we know how good they are, and they’re doing the business for us then it’s all that matters surely? Speak for yourself. I have no chip on my shoulder about Dean Smith. Quite the contrary, I think it is great that our Head Coach is a genuine fan of the club. This is very rare and we should be proud of it rather than having a chip on our shoulder. Also, we have moved from the Championship to the PL under Dean Smith, again something to be proud of. Look at redcafe's forum and the post match Man U v Villa game. The overwhelming message is that Dean Smith out managed Ole and Villa deserved to win. Dean's name was even mentioned a few times as a potential successor to Ole. If we think we are small and act like we are small we will get a chip on our shoulder. The is absolutely no need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: Speak for yourself. I have no chip on my shoulder about Dean Smith. Quite the contrary, I think it is great that our Head Coach is a genuine fan of the club. This is very rare and we should be proud of it rather than having a chip on our shoulder. Also, we have moved from the Championship to the PL under Dean Smith, again something to be proud of. Look at redcafe's forum and the post match Man U v Villa game. The overwhelming message is that Dean Smith out managed Ole and Villa deserved to win. Dean's name was even mentioned a few times as a potential successor to Ole. If we think we are small and act like we are small we will get a chip on our shoulder. The is absolutely no need to. That’s not really what I said though was it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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