Dean Smith

[VillaJ100]

I mean, it's happened plenty of times where a team (Leicester?) has just won like 5 games in a row and finish well clear. Will we do that? We don't look like we will. But even 2 wins on the spin will have us looking good. 

I fancy Bournemouth to get out of it. Probably with some fluky ass goal on the last day with us and spam drawing which relegated us both. Although I'm sure the porno dwarfs are contacting the refs about what new car their Mrs would like

[Sulberto21]

I thought today was El Ghazi's best game in a while except for one incredible shanked cross in the second half.

Trezeguet.  God knows how I loved the other Trezeguet.  But this one needs to be sued under the trade descriptions act or something. 

[DCJonah]

8 minutes ago, Eastie said:

It’s not arrogance - in the pre match match thread I called those mistakes before kick off as did several others , if he continues with el ghazi and the same formation on Saturday I will say the same - the system needs changing - it is not working , we  won one game since New Year’s Day in the league .

starting el ghazi and trezeguet is not really over the top criticism - let’s have respect for each other’s opinions and debate it without the over the top comments , yesterday you were accusing people of foaming at the mouth for calling for smith to go ? Relax and enjoy the debate 

change it , go 2 up front and at least have a go . We started to play once we went behind ,  we need to be on the front foot far sooner in games . 

I've got no issue what so ever with discussing tactics and selections. I said myself that I'd like 2 up top. But there is no way I can claim I knew what would happen in the game before it did. Ultimately we created some good chances and were let down by finishing. A great cross from El Ghazi and Samatta misses a sitter. That's not an issue with the system, thats lack of quality. Same with the miss from Trezeguet. People weren't happy with konza starting, but what a ball he put in. Again if it's finished off, like it should be, no one is complaining about the system. 

It's the calling for his head, stating he has been a disaster and shit like that, which I find to be over the top. 

[Eastie]

Just now, VillaJ100 said:

I mean, it's happened plenty of times where a team (Leicester?) has just won like 5 games in a row and finish well clear. Will we do that? We don't look like we will. But even 2 wins on the spin will have us looking good. 

I fancy Bournemouth to get out of it. Probably with some fluky ass goal on the last day with us and spam drawing which relegated us both. Although I'm sure the porno dwarfs are contacting the refs about what new car their Mrs would like

Bournemouth have a lot of very hard games against teams chasing Europe , Pearson is a great motivator and Watford worry me , maybe a last day shoot out at West Ham is our destiny 

[M_Afro]

29 minutes ago, DCJonah said:

Absolutely this. 

 

No room for sentiment. We are in touching distance despite woeful form. There is no evidence that Dean will turn our form around. We still look awfully short of a plan. Give someone else a chance before the gap grows. He’s had his chance and despite a 10 game Grealish inspired championship run, we have been bang average!

[Sulberto21]

2 minutes ago, Eastie said:

Bournemouth have a lot of very hard games against teams chasing Europe , Pearson is a great motivator and Watford worry me , maybe a last day shoot out at West Ham is our destiny 

You just know that under lambert we'd beat Wolves liverscum and united but lose the others.

[DCJonah]

Just now, M_Afro said:

No room for sentiment. We are in touching distance despite woeful form. There is no evidence that Dean will turn our form around. We still look awfully short of a plan. Give someone else a chance before the gap grows. He’s had his chance and despite a 10 game Grealish inspired championship run, we have been bang average!

Its not sentiment. You've just said it, we are in touching distance. 

If our form wasn't woeful then we'd be well out of it. Of course our form is woeful, like everyone else down there. 

[Chindie]

You have to win that game.

We pinched a draw.

We'll be going down.

[TRO]

11 hours ago, Mjvilla said:

Just a couple of things:

I don't think anyone wouldve laughed if I said we only had 2 players good enough for the PL. in fact, I think people would have agreed. Mcginn, Grealish. One of which has been injured for a large chunk. Name another? We didn't have a squad, it was universally agreed on here from my memory. 

£140 m wasn't for stabilising, it was for building a squad completely. No other team has had to come up and build an entire squad. Not from my memory. Stabilising would be adding to the squad we already had. That's what other teams do, established PL teams. Teams who get promoted and have squads (Norwich, sheff utd, wolves) in recent years. We didn't. And I'm sure if I go back we were all talking about how many players we needed and what a big rebuild was needed. Indirectly saying we had poor foundations. 

So what you are saying, i think, is..........this team did not gain promotion, only in name only.....via the transfer market.

so it could be argued they have no right to be in this division as they haven't won promotion, just here through being transferred.....all the ones that gained promotion have largely gone.....Hmmmmm.

I think Fulham did something similar to us.....spent huge dough on players, to no avail.

under the circumstances that we were in and I accept many players had to be replaced, but would £200-250 million have been needed to have a chance.....I am curious that if £140 mill was not much, or inadequate how much did we need to have a good chance of survival?...what did the club expect?.....I don't think they expected relegation.

You see, despite the circumstances we were in, I don't think deep down anyone club,fans, thought we would be relegated.....no one came out and said £140 million, we have no chance.....we all know it would be a fight, but it has turned out much worse than we thought.....so was more money required and if so, how much would that be ?

we can all speculate, what we think should have happened, but no one can be proved right.....It is well documented, what I think.....but I also think spending north of £140 mill was pie in the sky.

Edited June 24, 2020 by TRO

[penguin]

I don’t think Smith’s pre-match selections are the issue, although I’d have liked to have seen more 2 up top especially without our poor wingers, in fact especially at the start of the season we were very impressive in the first half of games. 
 

Smith’s glaring weakness are his subs/in-game management, or lack of, the amount of times we are just waiting for the inevitable when everyone can see the change is ridiculous. Today is a prime example, why we have to wait to concede I’ll never know.

[M_Afro]

Just now, DCJonah said:

Its not sentiment. You've just said it, we are in touching distance. 

If our form wasn't woeful then we'd be well out of it. Of course our form is woeful, like everyone else down there. 

We stick with Dean and we go down. I am as certain as I can be about that without being able to see into the future. The overwhelming evidence points towards this. We could well finish bottom.

We have already shown him way too much patience. At least roll the dice and don’t just accept almost certain relegation. We might actually stay up if we do, although it’s a big ask.

[Eastie]

1 minute ago, DCJonah said:

I've got no issue what so ever with discussing tactics and selections. I said myself that I'd like 2 up top. But there is no way I can claim I knew what would happen in the game before it did. Ultimately we created some good chances and were let down by finishing. A great cross from El Ghazi and Samatta misses a sitter. That's not an issue with the system, thats lack of quality. Same with the miss from Trezeguet. People weren't happy with konza starting, but what a ball he put in. Again if it's finished off, like it should be, no one is complaining about the system. 

It's the calling for his head, stating he has been a disaster and shit like that, which I find to be over the top. 

It’s all ifs buts and maybes - I see no reason to doubt anyone calling for smiths head based on results and performances - he’s a nice bloke and I appreciate what he helped achieve last season - but there really is no room for sentiment in football and Dean should be judged on results and performances .

it’s frustrating because I think if he did go 2 up top and change the formation I think we’d be a better team for it and he might not get the criticism he’s getting now .

ultimately we all want to stay up and if we do I will be delighted but things must change - we are too predictable , I hope Dean will change things at the weekend and play more on the front foot , we are a better team as a result ,  today the goal conceded was shocking with both centre half’s out on the touchline ,  we need some luck and a win ASAP 

[Eastie]

4 minutes ago, penguin said:

I don’t think Smith’s pre-match selections are the issue, although I’d have liked to have seen more 2 up top especially without our poor wingers, in fact especially at the start of the season we were very impressive in the first half of games. 
 

Smith’s glaring weakness are his subs/in-game management, or lack of, the amount of times we are just waiting for the inevitable when everyone can see the change is ridiculous. Today is a prime example, why we have to wait to concede I’ll never know.

It’s not just today though , it seems to be a regular occurrence ,  Reactive rather than proactive 

[penguin]

Just now, Eastie said:

It’s not just today though , it seems to be a regular occurrence ,  Reactive rather than proactive 

Completely agree. 

Yet he doesn’t seem to learn the lesson.

[Eastie]

4 minutes ago, M_Afro said:

We stick with Dean and we go down. I am as certain as I can be about that without being able to see into the future. The overwhelming evidence points towards this. We could well finish bottom.

We have already shown him way too much patience. At least roll the dice and don’t just accept almost certain relegation. We might actually stay up if we do, although it’s a big ask.

Maybe now the horse had bolted , the change needed to be made sooner   It’s asking a lot for someone to come in now and save us - if smith went now I’d expect JT  to take  it on and wouldn’t fancy his chances 

[Eastie]

1 minute ago, penguin said:

Completely agree. 

Yet he doesn’t seem to learn the lesson.

Yes this is the really frustrating thing 

[cheltenham_villa]

On 22/06/2020 at 10:05, Blasterpocket68 said:

This is an unbelievable statement . As  Villa fans I would like the club to remain in the premier league, its where we belong, its where the big businesses (Unfortunately) of football need to be. Loyalty style of play are nice to haves , we needed to just survive this season . We have not done that  we had to invest in players . Investing in a completely new team  and trying to play open expansive football was a recipe for disaster. We just had to survive . This was clear 10 games into the season nothing changed!

Loyalty ? Style of play had nothing to do with the objectives this season! Finishing 17th was the GOAL and should of been the sole objective and strategy. of the management  

Think about what you're saying, you really only care about existence in the premier league....for what? What does it give you? How will you pass on these stories to children, grand children. All of my greatest villa memories involve trophies, great games or great players. In all of those moments I was entertained. I'm lucky enough to have been to Wembley and watched us lift trophies and my reward is I get to remember those moments and share them with my son.

We both got to jointly watch villa win the play offs last season after a great and enjoyable championship season. 

I don't think we will look back on finishing 17th and enjoying 30 percent possession against Chelsea at home. To not care about being entertained is absolutely mental.

[Farlz]

 

It's more Hause at fault imo 

[Villarocker]

I was of the opinion that Deano should be given the first 10 games of next season should we be relegated. However, the fact that he said he watched lal the games back and had 1-2-1 chats with the players about their performances makes me think he isn't up to it. Nothing has changed. 

[Villarocker]

1 minute ago, Farlz said:

 

It's more Hause at fault imo 

The two centre backs were almost on the wing. They're both way out of position and therefore at fault.