Dean Smith

[useless]

Their recruitment can't be that much better than ours if they've spent all that money and have been in a relegation battle two seasons in a row, in that sense they haven't done much better than Suso, they might marginally survive, but if we were going to replace him I'd want to replace him with someone a lot better, Iknow they've had a couple of good results but we really are setting bar low if we're aspiring to Brighton's level.

[Tomaszk]

1 minute ago, useless said:

Their recruitment can't be that much better than ours if they've spent all that money and have been in a relegation battle two seasons in a row, in that sense they haven't done much better than Suso, they might marginally survive, but if we were going to replace him I'd want to replace him with someone a lot better, Iknow they've had a couple of good results but we really are setting bar low if we're aspiring to Brighton's level.

They are bringing in so many good young players. Copying Chelsea model. They'll be loaning plenty out and selling them to generate money.

[useless]

New rules are coming out to limit the number of players that a club can loan out, so Brighton won't be able to follow the Chelsea model.

Chelsea have been able to do it because they can afford to buy very promising youngsters with lots of potential and if they live up to that potential they still might not be good enough for Chelsea's first team, but still good enough that Chelsea can sell them on for a big profit...

Whereas Brighton aren't really in a position to be stockpiling players with intent to sell them on for a profit, becaues if they were to become that good they'd be good enough for their first team and if they're not good enough for Brighton's first team they wouldn't make much profit. Only really works if you're so good that you don't need these talents for your own team.

Looking  at the players Brighton have loaned out at the moment and they're all in their twenties, if they're not good enough now for a struggling Brighton team, I doubt they're going to be making much money from them.

Edited June 24, 2020 by useless

[zab6359]

13 hours ago, PussEKatt said:

How do you work that out ?

We are all Villa supporter on here BUT, just put yourself in his shoes.He has led Villa to promotion,he has taken us to Wembly,he has managed us in the Championship,he has managed us in the Pl.He can see that after 3/4 of a season the best he can do is get us to 19th,so,surley if he really wanted what was best for the team he supports he would quit and let another manager try to keep us up FFS.

So after achieving what all of us can only dream about he is prepared to take us down,knowing that will put us in real shit because all the best players will leave and we could be in the Championship for years and years.Is that what he wants for the team he supported as a boy, and apparently stil supports.Thats a great way to treat the team you love and support.

Jack's return from injury was the impetus behind our run of form leading to promotion, and Wembley was a fluke we pretty much had a bye for two rounds and got punished in a final we didn't turn up for. And he's managed us pretty poorly so far in the PL!

[tinker]

20 hours ago, Eastie said:

If bielsa was here this club would be in a much better situation in every way in my opinion and nowhere near the relegation zone . Sadly , it’s not going to happen though . 

Its ok managing a club when their winning more games than they are losing and competing at the top of the division. If Leeds's are promoted and they start to lose games and drop down into the relegation zone ....only then we will know how good Bielsa is as a manager. 

The way they appear to fail when the pressure is on doesn't bode well despite them playing arguably the best football i have seen in the championship over the last 2 seasons.

Its when things go wrong a good manager shows his worth.

[villalad21]

Harder team to beat apparently 

 

[Zatman]

18 minutes ago, villalad21 said:

Harder team to beat apparently 

 

Sheffield United couldnt break us down, Chelsea strugged as well. 6 shots on target against in 2 games

[jacketspuds]

6 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Sheffield United couldnt break us down, Chelsea strugged as well. 6 shots on target against in 2 games

The defending is better. But at what cost? We looked awful going forward against Chelsea and we didn't score against Sheff Utd when they were crap.

[Mjvilla]

8 hours ago, Tomaszk said:

Every single time I've seen Brighton this season they play exactly like Smith has tried to get us to. Funny what you can do with some good players. Brighton's recruitment has been really good for years. Couple of whiffs but generally excellent and they're building for the future at the same time. 

Who's in charge of their signings? Get them here.

We're down if we don't beat Newcastle. 

Liverpool, Wolves and Utd after that, that's a big fat zero points.

They had a good summer last summer. But before that, if we had made those signings then there would be trouble. Have a look:

Jahanbaksh, andone, izquierdo, locadia. All big money signings. All flopped. A few more that didn't settle straight away but have given time to settle in and are doing well now.

The trick is having a more solid base to build a team on top of so if some of the signings flop, then you'll still be ok. This then allows the players time when they come in to settle in.

We didn't have that luxury, which other teams did. We expected/hoped every player would come in and be good straight up. You can't compare us and our recruitment because the scenarios are so different. Brighton had a PL team they were adding too. We had a mid table championship base at best.

Edit: just wanted to add that I don't think we did a particularly good job. But players like Konsa, Engels, Doug Luiz, Wesley, guilbert among others would be given time to settle in at other clubs. Here they were thrown in Infront of a demanding, expectant crowd and we think they should be performing straight away. Sorry, but I don't agree with that.

Edited June 24, 2020 by Mjvilla

[Zatman]

13 minutes ago, jacketspuds said:

The defending is better. But at what cost? We looked awful going forward against Chelsea and we didn't score against Sheff Utd when they were crap.

This is the issue, we need to find a balance or we will just end up like Lambert radical change from positive to mind numbingly boring

[OxfordVillan]

41 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Sheffield United couldnt break us down, Chelsea strugged as well. 6 shots on target against in 2 games

It’s correct to say we’ve been tighter, definitely. My big concern is the lack of ability to adapt and change during a game, to switch things according to how the game is panning out. 

[villalad21]

46 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Sheffield United couldnt break us down, Chelsea strugged as well. 6 shots on target against in 2 games

Oh yes. The great Sheffield United who let in 3 against Newcastle.

[DCJonah]

37 minutes ago, villalad21 said:

Oh yes. The great Sheffield United who let in 3 against Newcastle.

When down to 10 men. But of course you knew that. 

[DCJonah]

1 hour ago, jacketspuds said:

The defending is better. But at what cost? We looked awful going forward against Chelsea and we didn't score against Sheff Utd when they were crap.

There aren't many teams in the league who are solid at the back and good going forward. 

We need to be better but we're a poor team, we aren't going to be good all over the pitch. 

We need to show more intent against newcastle. The sheff United game, although we didn't score, I felt we created some really good opportunities. 

[villalad21]

11 minutes ago, DCJonah said:

When down to 10 men. But of course you knew that. 

Same did West Ham against us. Didn't seem to help us very much.

[DCJonah]

1 minute ago, villalad21 said:

Same did West Ham against us. Didn't seem to help us very much.

Haha you always do this. 

You make a ridiculous comment, get called out on it and then just switch it to something completely different. 

Its brilliant. 

[TRO]

10 hours ago, Keyblade said:

You mean the established PL team Brighton, who spent 70m on top of that this season? It's funny you say that because before the restart they were just as poor as us and only 3 points separated us. We also took 4 points off them this season.

They wasn't established when they came up.....based on your comments, teams just book a one season ticket and disappear down their hole.....rubbish.

The plan should be, you come up like Wolves and Sheff Utd and build on it.....based on solid foundations.

We have well and truly cocked up and based our model on sand as opposed to concrete.....we have simply blown it.

The philosophies of Villa and Norwich have proved to be fanciful.

Edited June 24, 2020 by TRO

[DCJonah]

2 minutes ago, TRO said:

They wasn't established when they came up.....based on your comments, teams just book a one season ticket and disappear down their hole.....rubbish.

The plan should be, you come up like Wolves and Sheff Utd and build on it.....based on solid foundations.

We have well and truly cocked up and based our model on sand as opposed to concrete.....we have simply blown it.

The philosophies of Villa and Norwich have proved to be fanciful.

You can't just say plan to come up like wolves and Sheffield united. Compare how many teams come up and finish in the top 6 to how many teams come and go straight back down. 

[TRO]

3 hours ago, tinker said:

Its ok managing a club when their winning more games than they are losing and competing at the top of the division. If Leeds's are promoted and they start to lose games and drop down into the relegation zone ....only then we will know how good Bielsa is as a manager. 

The way they appear to fail when the pressure is on doesn't bode well despite them playing arguably the best football i have seen in the championship over the last 2 seasons.

Its when things go wrong a good manager shows his worth.

An interesting reference to pressure......when do we ever pressure the opposition.

its central to our demise.....as the season has unfolded, we have actually got worse at this, not better.....going in to this run, it don't look good in this respect.

[hippo]

1 hour ago, Mjvilla said:

They had a good summer last summer. But before that, if we had made those signings then there would be trouble. Have a look:

Jahanbaksh, andone, izquierdo, locadia. All big money signings. All flopped. A few more that didn't settle straight away but have given time to settle in and are doing well now.

The trick is having a more solid base to build a team on top of so if some of the signings flop, then you'll still be ok. This then allows the players time when they come in to settle in.

We didn't have that luxury, which other teams did. We expected/hoped every player would come in and be good straight up. You can't compare us and our recruitment because the scenarios are so different. Brighton had a PL team they were adding too. We had a mid table championship base at best.

Edit: just wanted to add that I don't think we did a particularly good job. But players like Konsa, Engels, Doug Luiz, Wesley, guilbert among others would be given time to settle in at other clubs. Here they were thrown in Infront of a demanding, expectant crowd and we think they should be performing straight away. Sorry, but I don't agree with that.

Konsa wasn't thrown in - he didn't play for ages. He hasn't looked anything like a £9m player.