Zatman Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 36 minutes ago, pas5898 said: I genuinely believe it was Gerrard and Purslows ambition to both be back at Liverpool this season. There's no other rationale for short term signings such as Dendonker, Carlos, even Digne. They knew FFP was coming, they knew these players on high wages would have no resale. They knew this summer is when FFP would bite really hard (Grealish money off the books), coincidentally the summer Klopp leaves Liverpool and they get a new sporting director in. No mention of the worst signing of all - Coutinho 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 12 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Spending all we did in 2022 was poor though. That was a relic of the Lerner era and would've cost us hugely if we hadn't made top 4 with who we've had to sell after achieving it. Was so obvious at the time as well Lucliky Sawiris stepped in when he did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Avfc96 Posted September 4 Popular Post Share Posted September 4 Came into the club when we were trying to unpick the mess that Xia and Wyness had created. Appointed Smith and backed him, oversaw the rebuilding of the club from top to bottom including the the additions to Bodymoor Heath and had plans for a long overdue redevelopment of Villa Park which I think we'll come to regret abandoning in the coming years. Made a huge mistake with Gerrard and some of the signings of that era. But he did a hell of a lot more good than harm. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 53 minutes ago, Chicken Field said: Purslow made some mistakes but we are in a much healthier position now, than when he first arrived. Did some amazing work for us, minus one terrible gamble/mistake. Comparing us pre and post Purslow, I find it weird having grudges against him, That’s like saying Southgate is a good manager because he’s done better than most of his predecessors for England. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 1 minute ago, DaveAV1 said: That’s like saying Southgate is a good manager because he’s done better than most of his predecessors for England. But it's just not though is it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 1 hour ago, pas5898 said: I genuinely believe it was Gerrard and Purslows ambition to both be back at Liverpool this season. There's no other rationale for short term signings such as Dendonker, Carlos, even Digne. They knew FFP was coming, they knew these players on high wages would have no resale. They knew this summer is when FFP would bite really hard (Grealish money off the books), coincidentally the summer Klopp leaves Liverpool and they get a new sporting director in. They both just wanted to win a trophy so they could have their photo opportunity and ego boost and job prospects. **** the club and it's future. Pair of dirt bags. Saw right through him. Keith Wyness in better fitting suits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Fun Factory Posted September 4 Popular Post Share Posted September 4 Whoah there is a hell of a lot of revisionism going on here. Can we just remember what an utter shitshow Villa was before Purslow came in with Wyness, Faulkener, Fox etc? He came in and sorted a lot of stuff out and made us far more professional. He was well regarded inside football, just see what role he had in writing the original FFP rules (and how to get around them) and in project start up after covid. He led on the north stand redevelopment until it has now been canned and was clear in communication the whole way through. Yes he made a mistake on Gerrard but ultimately Wes and Nas had the final approval on that. You could have some criticism in that he didn't increase commercial revenues enough and that is why Heck came in. But as an actual football administrator or old fashioned club secretary I think he has been our best person since Steve Stride. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The_Steve Posted September 4 Popular Post Share Posted September 4 10 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: Whoah there is a hell of a lot of revisionism going on here. Can we just remember what an utter shitshow Villa was before Purslow came in with Wyness, Faulkener, Fox etc? He came in and sorted a lot of stuff out and made us far more professional. He was well regarded inside football, just see what role he had in writing the original FFP rules (and how to get around them) and in project start up after covid. He led on the north stand redevelopment until it has now been canned and was clear in communication the whole way through. Yes he made a mistake on Gerrard but ultimately Wes and Nas had the final approval on that. You could have some criticism in that he didn't increase commercial revenues enough and that is why Heck came in. But as an actual football administrator or old fashioned club secretary I think he has been our best person since Steve Stride. Wondered why this thread had been bumped and no surprise that some of the usual suspects with an agenda are posting. I think Purslow was fine for what we needed at the time and understood the realities of FFP. Did he make mistakes? Absolutely. But the hate for me is not warranted for some of the absolute chancers who worked here prior, I agree. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 On 30/08/2024 at 23:46, Zatman said: Absolutely no thanks to Purslow, the man gets off scot free from nearly ruining us. We had to sell Diaby and Luiz because this idiot wanted his hero in charge who signed Coutinho, Dendoncker, Olsen, Digne and Carlos who are unsellable Unai has saved this donkeys reputation He didn't nearly ruin us at all. After he left, we spent over £100m on new players. If we were so close to the wall, we wouldn't have done this... OR the new lot are financially incompetent too? Both the Diaby purchase and sale were after Purslow. We didn't need to spend £50m or whatever on him, but we did. Sure, though, Purslows' fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted September 4 VT Supporter Share Posted September 4 1 hour ago, Mark Albrighton said: Again, people blaming Purslow for us having to sell Luiz happily ignoring any involvement he would have had in bringing him into the club for the relatively low amount in the first place AND signing a contract extension so he didn’t leave for nothing like he could have done. It was probably someone else who did all that good stuff and Purslow was in another room, burning a pile of cash while singing “Ferry Cross the Mersey”. yep. standard VT narrative. ignore the good, and focusing on the bad, grumbling "gerrard" under their breath 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted September 4 VT Supporter Share Posted September 4 1 minute ago, tomav84 said: yep. standard VT narrative. ignore the good, and focusing on the bad, grumbling "gerrard" under their breath Yep. As much as we are suffering for having to sell Luiz or for having the likes of Dendoncker on the books, we’re presumably still benefiting from having a world class keeper for less than 20m or Kamara for nothing. You wouldn’t think it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 42 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: Whoah there is a hell of a lot of revisionism going on here. Can we just remember what an utter shitshow Villa was before Purslow came in with Wyness, Faulkener, Fox etc? He came in and sorted a lot of stuff out and made us far more professional. Randy Lerner when he took over from Doug did similar and was despised when left He initailly did well and it went to complete shit in summer 2021 and he never recovered as we stumbled from bad decision to bad decision. Castore rubbish was on him too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Field Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Zatman said: Randy Lerner when he took over from Doug did similar and was despised when left He initailly did well and it went to complete shit in summer 2021 and he never recovered as we stumbled from bad decision to bad decision. Castore rubbish was on him too I think the Lerner situation is quite different. Lerner invested heavily in the first years without foresight or long-term planning, similar to what Purslow did with Gerrard and their signings. However, for the final five or six years, Lerner ended up selling our assets. Purslow had one poor year, while Lerner had multiple poor years that ultimately led to relegation (he even sold us to Xia, which nearly bankrupted us). Purslow's one poor year might have cost us a 10-point deduction or the need to sell Luiz, but it's hardly comparable. We are in the best state we have been in for yearsr and years, Purslow was a part of that progression Edited September 4 by Chicken Field 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted September 4 VT Supporter Share Posted September 4 On 21/05/2024 at 12:35, Zatman said: And Coutinho who we need to probably pay off and Castore made us and especially our womens team an embarrassment On 21/05/2024 at 16:30, Mark Albrighton said: As for the shirts, apologies for bringing you in here @NurembergVillan, but I believe I have either read or seen you say that that failure wouldn’t really fall on the CEO. On 22/05/2024 at 12:05, NurembergVillan said: Nobody at the club should be on the hook for that fiasco. 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Castore rubbish was on him too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 4 hours ago, Chicken Field said: I think the Lerner situation is quite different. Lerner invested heavily in the first years without foresight or long-term planning, similar to what Purslow did with Gerrard and their signings. However, for the final five or six years, Lerner ended up selling our assets. Purslow had one poor year, while Lerner had multiple poor years that ultimately led to relegation (he even sold us to Xia, which nearly bankrupted us). Purslow's one poor year might have cost us a 10-point deduction or the need to sell Luiz, but it's hardly comparable. We are in the best state we have been in for yearsr and years, Purslow was a part of that progression Lerner is completly different to Purslow. He was the owner and rarely had anything day to day with the club, and post 2010 hardly ever visited the club. You should compare Purslow to Faulkener who was employed because he was friends with Lerner and seemed out of his depth from day one, and basically was in charge of managed decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 5 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: Lerner is completly different to Purslow. He was the owner and rarely had anything day to day with the club, and post 2010 hardly ever visited the club. You should compare Purslow to Faulkener who was employed because he was friends with Lerner and seemed out of his depth from day one, and basically was in charge of managed decline. Was he out of his depth? Lerner cut the budget and still stayed up somehow. Not sure he ever actually made an appointment or wanted to sign a faded out star like Coutinho Purslow hero was taking us down, the job Unai has done to clean up Purslow and his hero's mess is incredible. Its the type of story you see in a movie like Rocky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 17 hours ago, Zatman said: Randy Lerner when he took over from Doug did similar and was despised when left He initailly did well and it went to complete shit in summer 2021 and he never recovered as we stumbled from bad decision to bad decision. Castore rubbish was on him too Holding Purslow personally responsible for sweaty shirts is a whole new level. You're reaching uncharted territory Zatman, take a compass. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 I really don’t think Purslow bought Gerrard in because they were at Liverpool together, at the time Gerrard was being sounded out for a few premier league jobs, essentially he was considered hot property at the time, flavour of the week. Purslow I believe signed Gerrard because he believed he could coach and also had a brand name that would elevate our appeal in signing players, see Kamara as a case in point. Other than Gerrard not being a good appointment Purslow did well in general. My only grumble was sacking Smith, but maybe that was the same call other clubs would’ve made too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 21 hours ago, Avfc96 said: But it's just not though is it. Yes it is I’m afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 2 hours ago, Tommo_b said: I really don’t think Purslow bought Gerrard in because they were at Liverpool together, at the time Gerrard was being sounded out for a few premier league jobs, essentially he was considered hot property at the time, flavour of the week. Purslow I believe signed Gerrard because he believed he could coach and also had a brand name that would elevate our appeal in signing players, see Kamara as a case in point. Other than Gerrard not being a good appointment Purslow did well in general. My only grumble was sacking Smith, but maybe that was the same call other clubs would’ve made too. If the remit was "best young English manager" then Gerrard actually makes sense The problem is there are no good English managers so it should never have been the remit (or should say "were" Gary oneil has proved ok but he had only just started at Bournemouth then) I was gutted we sacked smith but the tide had turned The castore stuff was just chasing money, you can't hold that against him, we sold ourselves to the highest bidder, it's what football is 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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