maqroll Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 1. Does it matter to you that the manager is English? 2. Does it matter to you that an American company makes the England kit? Edited June 27, 2018 by maqroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V01 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 No. No. Though I didn't much care for the hostile takeover of Umbro, and I haven't bought a Nike manufactured England shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 hours ago, The_Rev said: No. No. Though I didn't much care for the hostile takeover of Umbro, and I haven't bought a Nike manufactured England shirt. I didn't know Nike took over Umbro, bummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 7 hours ago, maqroll said: 1. Does it matter to you that the manager is English? 2. Does it matter to you that an American company makes the England kit? 1. Matter, no - but ideally the manager would be English. 2. As above (but replace ‘manager’ with ‘kit manufacturer’). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chappy Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Disappointed that the first question wasn’t: “Is it coming home?” 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 28, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2018 8 hours ago, maqroll said: 1. Does it matter to you that the manager is English? 2. Does it matter to you that an American company makes the England kit? 1. No. I'd probably say I'd PREFER the manager to be English. But no it doesn't really matter 2. No. Couldn't care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 28, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2018 1. Yes. In fact I think the qualification rules for managers should be exactly the same as for players. 2. No, don't give a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 28, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, mjmooney said: 1. Yes. In fact I think the qualification rules for managers should be exactly the same as for players. I've often thought that too, but I think it would be a massive hinderence to smaller nations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 No - want the best person for the job irrelevant of nationality/gender No couldn’t care less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 31 minutes ago, mjmooney said: 1. Yes. In fact I think the qualification rules for managers should be exactly the same as for players. 2. No, don't give a damn. Me too. Regarding the kit my only problem is if we just have one of those templates that everyone else has, just a different colour. It seems incredibly lazy for the amount of money the average fan has to pay for a replica. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 28, 2018 Moderator Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, mjmooney said: 1. Yes. In fact I think the qualification rules for managers should be exactly the same as for players. Spoken like a citizen of a major footballing nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 28, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2018 56 minutes ago, BOF said: Spoken like a citizen of a major footballing nation. Before Southgate (Allardyce), the English F.A. was appointing foreign managers, and most England fans seemed to think this was a good idea - they were deemed to be better than English managers. I was opposed to it then, and I went on record here as saying I'd rather see us fail with an English boss than succeed with a foreign one. To me, it's tantamount to cheating. And I'm far from being a patriotic flag waver. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 28, 2018 Moderator Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Before Southgate (Allardyce), the English F.A. was appointing foreign managers, and most England fans seemed to think this was a good idea - they were deemed to be better than English managers. I was opposed to it then, and I went on record here as saying I'd rather see us fail with an English boss than succeed with a foreign one. To me, it's tantamount to cheating. And I'm far from being a patriotic flag waver. That's not the point I'm making. You said the manager [of ALL national teams] should qualify in the same way that his players do. Small/developing/emerging nations don't have the coaching resources to progress their game without bringing in outside coaches. It would essentially be the blind coaching the blind. Only the bigger footballing nations can afford to be so idealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 28, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, BOF said: That's not the point I'm making. You said the manager [of ALL national teams] should qualify in the same way that his players do. Small/developing/emerging nations don't have the coaching resources to progress their game without bringing in outside coaches. It would essentially be the blind coaching the blind. Only the bigger footballing nations can afford to be so idealistic. But that's international sport. It's not about trying to make everything equal. You may as well let countries play 'naturalised' Brazilians. Oh wait, they already do. And that's cheating, too. Some countries do manage to punch above their weight in producing top players. Maybe their up and coming coaches need to go abroad to develop their skills, like players do. I dunno. Sorry, but (say) England managed by Ericsson or Capello may as well be a club side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, mjmooney said: Before Southgate (Allardyce), the English F.A. was appointing foreign managers, and most England fans seemed to think this was a good idea - they were deemed to be better than English managers. I was opposed to it then, and I went on record here as saying I'd rather see us fail with an English boss than succeed with a foreign one. To me, it's tantamount to cheating. And I'm far from being a patriotic flag waver. Having a foreign coach is cheating?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 28, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, bobzy said: Having a foreign coach is cheating?! Probably the wrong word, but kind of, yeah. It's probably naïve and old fashioned, but I'd like to think that the players are there out of pride, representing their homeland, not doing it as a job. And I feel their coach should be the same. Fabio Capello's England playing against Italy? Doesn't sit right with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, mjmooney said: Probably the wrong word, but kind of, yeah. It's probably naïve and old fashioned, but I'd like to think that the players are there out of pride, representing their homeland, not doing it as a job. And I feel their coach should be the same. Fabio Capello's England playing against Italy? Doesn't sit right with me. That's fair, and I understand the sentiment (I'd rather have an English manager) but for every nation to be forced to have their coach from their own country? Where do you draw the line, too? Are England cheating by having a Scottish striking coach and Welsh goalkeeping coach? Are England cheating by having a state-of-the-art training facility which has been part-funded by American giant Nike? Are England cheating by having foreign coaches training their players at club level? etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 28, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, bobzy said: That's fair, and I understand the sentiment (I'd rather have an English manager) but for every nation to be forced to have their coach from their own country? Where do you draw the line, too? Are England cheating by having a Scottish striking coach and Welsh goalkeeping coach? Are England cheating by having a state-of-the-art training facility which has been part-funded by American giant Nike? Are England cheating by having foreign coaches training their players at club level? etc. etc. OK, not cheating, but like you, I'd rather they had an all English staff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) i dont think they have to be english but would 1) prefer english 2) prefer a foreign manager from english football for example if southgate bit the bullet after this world cup i would rather we went shopping in the PL than abroad, not saying they would take it but pep, klopp, jose over allegri or even the likes of low not because of any billy big bollocks english football thing more i think they will have an understanding of an english footballers mentality which has been the downfall of some very talented england sides the kit thing is irrelevant, it'll be whoever puts the most food in the greedy piggies trough Edited June 28, 2018 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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