Sid4ever Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 3 hours ago, sidcow said: The question that needs to be asked is who will have won when the soldiers have gone from The Lebanon? Phil Oakey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 On 19/09/2024 at 11:03, magnkarl said: I think you need to be careful with how pious you're acting on this, because as it stands you're condemning Israel no matter what they do, even if it's a surgical strike they get criticised. People have said 'I'd be perfectly okay with Israel going after leaders and terrorists', but when they do the same people often chant 'genocide' before they even know what's going on. I don't feel it's pious. I'm concerned about where Netanyahu is leading the west. The only strategy I can see that Israel has now is to provoke the US into confronting Iran and its proxies - Oct 7th and the reaction to that is in the past, the hostages written off - we're now looking at a war hungry regime who will break any rules and act alone to get the bigger conflict that it wants. I can't get on board with that, including not clapping the pager thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 2 hours ago, Jareth said: I don't feel it's pious. I'm concerned about where Netanyahu is leading the west. The only strategy I can see that Israel has now is to provoke the US into confronting Iran and its proxies - Oct 7th and the reaction to that is in the past, the hostages written off - we're now looking at a war hungry regime who will break any rules and act alone to get the bigger conflict that it wants. I can't get on board with that, including not clapping the pager thing. It’s not the first and won’t be the last time the West’s bedfellows act out. For those of us born before 1980 there’s the contras, Pinochet, Samozoas, Guatemala and so forth. At this point I think we’re more of a calming influence on Israel than the other way around. Here’s to Benny getting sent to jail soon, and Hezbollah, Iran’s priesthood and Hamas all getting thrown on the dumpster of history. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 I think I outlined where I'm coming from in the previous post but Lebanon is not Gaza. No hostages are helped by obliterating little girls in Lebanon. Wow it is time for the US to stop Netanyahu one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 12 hours ago, Jareth said: I think I outlined where I'm coming from in the previous post but Lebanon is not Gaza. No hostages are helped by obliterating little girls in Lebanon. Wow it is time for the US to stop Netanyahu one way or another. Israel wouldn’t not react to Hezbollah with another PM either. You seem to forget Hezbollahs constant rocketing of Israel for years on end. This would likely have happened either way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regular_john Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 Rumours abound that Sinwar has met his maker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 On 22/09/2024 at 11:52, magnkarl said: Israel wouldn’t not react to Hezbollah with another PM either. You seem to forget Hezbollahs constant rocketing of Israel for years on end. This would likely have happened either way. It's not any old PM reacting though is it. It's one who needs perpetual war so that he can stay out of prison. A different PM may not be soon wanted for war crimes either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 The US sending more troops to the middle east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Everyone lobbing missiles at everyone else, but it’s not a war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 23 Moderator Share Posted September 23 34 minutes ago, Genie said: Everyone lobbing missiles at everyone else, but it’s not a war. Well yes precisely. It obviously is a war 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 3 minutes ago, bickster said: Well yes precisely. It obviously is a war Exactly, similar to Putin they don’t want to put that label on it for some reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted Wednesday at 09:47 Share Posted Wednesday at 09:47 (edited) On 23/09/2024 at 20:15, Genie said: Exactly, similar to Putin they don’t want to put that label on it for some reason. Because it plays better to their infantile supporters who walk the streets of London in support of groups in Lebanon who essentially overthrew one of the last democracies in the Middle East and is committing horrible ethnic cleansing on a quickly disappearing Christian minority in Lebanon. In any other group of people the PLO would be held accountable for ethnic cleansing and widespread war crimes for what they did in Lebanon. Better to frame lobbing Iranian Jihadi missiles at other nations as 'resistance'. Weirdly the sons and daughters of people who fled Lebanon in Australia are now out in force protesting for the same powers that made their parents flee the country in the 70s and 80's. Pro-Palestinians (in general) have a very short memory. Edited Wednesday at 09:51 by magnkarl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted Thursday at 16:36 Share Posted Thursday at 16:36 I suppose if the nutters are intent on having perpetual war then at least they can't say they weren't warned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted Thursday at 18:14 VT Supporter Share Posted Thursday at 18:14 America isn't going to let Israel come to harm, even if that harm is provoked. Israel is party of a bigger game that goes beyond nationalism or self determination. As a result Israel essentially gets to pursue it's own agenda with abandon, even if the Americans don't like it. They're playing a different sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted Friday at 16:16 Share Posted Friday at 16:16 Israel bombardment seems to have totally destroyed a Hezbollah bunker. Many speculating that Hassan Nasrallah will have likely been killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted Friday at 16:45 VT Supporter Share Posted Friday at 16:45 I predict this will definitely end Hezbollah. Definitely. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bielesibub Posted yesterday at 10:00 Share Posted yesterday at 10:00 17 hours ago, Chindie said: I predict this will definitely end Hezbollah. Definitely. Hopefully just Hezbollah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted yesterday at 10:47 Share Posted yesterday at 10:47 18 hours ago, Wainy316 said: Israel bombardment seems to have totally destroyed a Hezbollah bunker. Many speculating that Hassan Nasrallah will have likely been killed. Great news hopefully a bunch more dirty terrorists got it too. They had it coming. Let’s hope no innocents were harmed but given how these people operate he was probably surrounded by women and children as human shields and that definitely wouldn’t have deterred the IDF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted yesterday at 11:15 VT Supporter Share Posted yesterday at 11:15 18 hours ago, Chindie said: I predict this will definitely end Hezbollah. Definitely. They can't see the insanity of it. Visiting more violence in response to violence never ever solves anything. They are generating more hate, they are worsening their situation with each strike. Maybe find out why Hezbolla want to keep lobbing missiles at them instead. Hearts and minds win the day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted yesterday at 11:19 Moderator Share Posted yesterday at 11:19 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: Maybe find out why Hezbolla want to keep lobbing missiles at them instead. Its pretty well known, its in Hezbollah's charter in black and white The destruction of Israel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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