magnkarl Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, villa89 said: Nobody likes Iran apart from Russia. And China, and their gaggle of Islamic Jihadi organisations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 It's a scary thought where the consequences of this latest Isra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 It's scary to think of the possible consequences from the assassination of Hamas's political leader. I genuinely fear for the future of younger generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 31 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31 Israel desperately pushing for a regional conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 So Israel can assassinate people with missiles causing little collateral damage? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) I think the responses here are quite telling tbh. Israel goes after Hamas in Gaza = boo hitting civilians, how dare they respond! Israel rescues hostages = boo they killed the 'civilians' guarding them, how dare they! Israel hits Hamas leaders with very little collateral damage in Beirut and Iran = boo, they're pushing for a regional conflict, how dare they go after an organisation that performed one of the worst terror attacks since 9/11. Can't win. It's also 100% the reason why this won't ever end, neither side can find common ground on anything - and they're continually being pushed to extremes by their now quite rabid supporters. @Jareth - considering everything Israel does is wrong and you appear to know much about military strategy fighting terrorists, I'd love to hear your take on the response you think should've been taken against Hamas after 7/10, especially Haniyeh and the people being sheltered by regimes around the world, and the now near continuous stream of rockets being fired at Israel from Lebanon. Edited August 1 by magnkarl 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, magnkarl said: I think the responses here are quite telling tbh. Israel goes after Hamas in Gaza = boo hitting civilians, how dare they respond! To downgrade and trivialize criticism of war crimes as some sort of pantomime reaction - is as you say - telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 For every Israeli killed 10 Palestinians must lose their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jareth said: To downgrade and trivialize criticism of war crimes as some sort of pantomime reaction - is as you say - telling. Ah, back to not answering the question. The point was totally lost on you I see. I think at this point even if Israel did everything you wanted with a cherry on top, you'd still be rampantly against them. Then it's not a matter of what they do, it's a matter of who they are. The question might have been a bit pointed and trivilialising, but the underlying issue is still there. The echo chambers in this conflict has to end, including that on the side you think is right. Edited August 1 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 6 hours ago, magnkarl said: I think the responses here are quite telling tbh. Israel goes after Hamas in Gaza = boo hitting civilians, how dare they respond! Israel rescues hostages = boo they killed the 'civilians' guarding them, how dare they! Israel hits Hamas leaders with very little collateral damage in Beirut and Iran = boo, they're pushing for a regional conflict, how dare they go after an organisation that performed one of the worst terror attacks since 9/11. Can't win. It's also 100% the reason why this won't ever end, neither side can find common ground on anything - and they're continually being pushed to extremes by their now quite rabid supporters. @Jareth - considering everything Israel does is wrong and you appear to know much about military strategy fighting terrorists, I'd love to hear your take on the response you think should've been taken against Hamas after 7/10, especially Haniyeh and the people being sheltered by regimes around the world, and the now near continuous stream of rockets being fired at Israel from Lebanon. No they can't win, that's the point. A 2 state solution is the answer but that's a compromise, not a win. A compromise on both sides. Israel think they can win by wiping out a people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Just now, Mr_Dogg said: No they can't win, that's the point. A 2 state solution is the answer but that's a compromise, not a win. A compromise on both sides. Israel think they can win by wiping out a people. Ah, the wiping out argument. I agree that Israel does a crap job at many things, including human rights. But if you think they're wiping them out then they'll need to go another 60 or so years at the current pace of casualties in Palestine, and include the West Bank in the conflict. It's an awfully poor job of wiping Palestinians out, if so. Israel has the capacity to wipe out Gaza, and some of the right wing nutters in the government actually proposed using that nuclear capacity in wiping out the Palestinians, if they wanted. I don't think losing 2000 soldiers going into Gaza quite shows what you're arguing to be honest. No one's being wiped out, it's the endless tit for tat, just with a new generation of idiots on both sides doing idioty things with backers across the globe who entrench them to the point of never achieving peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 The US now moving their ships etc toward the region cos threats from Iran. Meanwhile Netanyahu sticks two fingers up to US influence. Something's got to give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 I always find this guy quite interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 The UN has sacked 9 UNRWA members who they say might have been involved in the Oct 7 attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 5 VT Supporter Share Posted August 5 The propaganda paper the Jewish Chronicle reckons the UK has begun suspending arms export licenses to Israel. I'll believe it when I see it, but here's hoping. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 On 01/08/2024 at 10:37, Rugeley Villa said: For every Israeli killed 10 Palestinians must lose their lives. That's a conservative estimate, sadly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 13 hours ago, sne said: The UN has sacked 9 UNRWA members who they say might have been involved in the Oct 7 attack. Ah, but I thought it was all propaganda? What will we do!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 5 minutes ago, magnkarl said: Ah, but I thought it was all propaganda? What will we do!? Nah, the whole of UNRWA were terrorist remember. All of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 13 minutes ago, sne said: Nah, the whole of UNRWA were terrorist remember. All of them. Ah, shucks, was it only 9? On top of the 12 already fired for it earlier. How many do you need there to be to consider it a problem? Weird how they whitewashed themselves using organisations so militant in Palestine's favour shortly after to do the 'investigation' that daddy UN had to step in and do the investigations themselves. UNRWA is a big part of the problem here. They've furthered the desperate state Palestine is in for years and years by perennially using organisations such as Hamas\PLO\Hezbollah to give out aid and help educate kids. Why does Palestinians get their own version of the UN when other groups who by all measure suffer more have to 'just' have the UN? It's time for the real UN to step in and do what the UN is supposed to, not just perennially keep on keeping on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Israel and the US has said no to UN peacekeepers in Palestine a number of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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