OutByEaster? Posted November 24, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2023 I've just found a report in a French paper that says more than 2,000 Hamas made the attacks - I must admit, I'm still surprised by that number. Israel I noticed has lowered the reported death toll to around 1,200 and in my head for some reason I'd thought of each Hamas terrorist killing maybe 4 or 5 people each - that's clearly not the case. It looks like the rounded down figure is because some of the bodies that were difficult to identify were Hamas rather than Israelis - so I'm guessing a lot more of those that attacked Israel were killed than I'd also assumed. I'm mindful that this isn't a game of numbers and that these are people, but it's odd I think the way the mind fills in ideas of how things actually happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 24, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: That number certainly has my attention - where is it from? I think it's wrong. Reuters say Hamas sources told them Quote Palestinian Islamist group Hamas deployed a force of about 1,000 fighters to stage the most devastating attack on Israel in decades, organising them into specialised units, a source close to the group told Reuters. Though Israel claims they killed 1500 Hamas fighters inside Israel, but I'm not sure if that's at all credible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: I've just found a report in a French paper that says more than 2,000 Hamas made the attacks - I must admit, I'm still surprised by that number. Israel I noticed has lowered the reported death toll to around 1,200 and in my head for some reason I'd thought of each Hamas terrorist killing maybe 4 or 5 people each - that's clearly not the case. It looks like the rounded down figure is because some of the bodies that were difficult to identify were Hamas rather than Israelis - so I'm guessing a lot more of those that attacked Israel were killed than I'd also assumed. I'm mindful that this isn't a game of numbers and that these are people, but it's odd I think the way the mind fills in ideas of how things actually happen. Yep, it appears that the figures from both sides are iffy, if Israel says they’ve killed 1500 fighters on Oct 7th then I’d assume that there’s 2/3s more Hamas soldiers just on the 7th as this is the general figure of warfare, then you’ve got to the near constantly apprehended (probably unjustly) Palestinians in the WB and you’ve got a justice system under very heavy strain. Not that it excuses Israel’s detention rates tho, and I presume they’re killing Hamas and PIJ fighters first and then likely taking in only people who survive. It’s an all round effed situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 Really hoping this pause is a gateway to a ceasefire. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 Scary but actually kind of makes sense he was an advisor on US foreign policy. He's now been arrested. This is one of several videos where he harasses this poor guy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 8 hours ago, omariqy said: Scary but actually kind of makes sense he was an advisor on US foreign policy. He's now been arrested. This is one of several videos where he harasses this poor guy. What a vile human. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, omariqy said: Scary but actually kind of makes sense he was an advisor on US foreign policy. He's now been arrested. This is one of several videos where he harasses this poor guy. The restraint shown by the man being abused to not smack the **** out of that racist piece of shit is astonishing. Edited November 25, 2023 by Don_Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 3 hours ago, magnkarl said: What a vile human. In another clip he says “if we kill 4,000 palestinian children it wasn’t enough” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Good news that the hostage exchange managed to get done and the ceasefire held for the second day. Was looking a bit iffy earlier. Also interesting that all the Thai nationals are being released. I wonder which other countries have hostages? Is there a list compiled somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 25, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 25, 2023 There appears to be evidence that the Israelis haven't really stuck to the ceasefire, as they've shot people in North Gaza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 I've been watching the Last Leg on Ch4 because it has always politically been involved. It has swerved Gaza. Like completely swerved it -not giving a shit about the underdog -they have always backed the underdog - Why not now? Too hot? It''s quite clear cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Genuinely didn't know you could be imprisoned for up to 10 years for throwing stones. Did I read that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 26, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 26, 2023 1 hour ago, ender4 said: Also interesting that all the Thai nationals are being released. Thailand aren’t stupid, they bypassed the talks and did a deal directly with Iran according to reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 51 minutes ago, omariqy said: Genuinely didn't know you could be imprisoned for up to 10 years for throwing stones. Did I read that right? Yes you could be imprisoned up to 10 years for throwing stones at the Israeli military. However, that’s one of the lighter punishments in the Middle East - trying throwing stones at the Iranian morality police or Saudi security - that’s a guaranteed death sentence. Actually a lot of the Middle East will put you in jail for much less than throwing stones - trying having an opinion the govt doesn’t agree with, or showing an accidental bit of leg as a woman, or being gay. They’d be lucky to get away with only 10 years in prison. It’s just generally a **** up region of the world. But I do believe it’ll get better year on year, but very very slowly. Give it 20 or 40 or 60 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 26, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2023 More than a few Palestinians have found that rather than getting you a prison sentence, throwing stones gets you a bullet. Some lives are very cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 29 minutes ago, ender4 said: Yes you could be imprisoned up to 10 years for throwing stones at the Israeli military. However, that’s one of the lighter punishments in the Middle East - trying throwing stones at the Iranian morality police or Saudi security - that’s a guaranteed death sentence. How utterly moderate. How liberal, how democratic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 1 hour ago, bickster said: Thailand aren’t stupid, they bypassed the talks and did a deal directly with Iran according to reports So Israel is stupid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 26, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 26, 2023 4 hours ago, Jareth said: So Israel is stupid? My post wasn’t about Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 8 hours ago, ender4 said: It’s just generally a **** up region of the world. But I do believe it’ll get better year on year, but very very slowly. Give it 20 or 40 or 60 years. I admire your optimism here, as all the evidence suggests that things in the region have got a lot worse just this year alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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