Jareth Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, bickster said: I'm not, you've made that up, no integrity has been questioned. The point is unarmed civilians get shot by the police/military and not punished for it, here and in other countries. It is not something that is exclusively happening in Israel and it is not as you claimed in your initial post. Your statement was incorrect. No UK police officer sets out for their shift with muderous intent. In the IDF it is commonplace. Hence why you're citing a handful of cases where prosecution has not emerged, trying to draw equivalence to the norm in Israel of daily executions without even an eyebrow raised let alone a court case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Hyperbolic Jewish Chronicle strikes again - I'm glad folks can see this rag for what it is - the worst sort of tabloid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 10, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 10, 2023 37 minutes ago, Jareth said: No UK police officer sets out for their shift with muderous intent. In the IDF it is commonplace. Hence why you're citing a handful of cases where prosecution has not emerged, trying to draw equivalence to the norm in Israel of daily executions without even an eyebrow raised let alone a court case. Its you who drew the parallel not me, I was pointing out why your words were incorrect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, bickster said: Its you who drew the parallel not me, I was pointing out why your words were incorrect. My original post "in the UK you would be arrested and given a prison sentence for shooting someone in those circumstances. I think this is why so many get fed up with Israel - on one hand there is their insistence that they're a democracy just like the west, they allow gay people to be free just like the west - but on the other they are intent on annihilating an entire people. If they want to be considered natural allies, then they need to change their behaviour." You've countered that it happens in the UK. I take your inference to be that there's an equivalence. I disagree. I'll stop boring y'all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 2 hours ago, omariqy said: I see Israel and Iran as two sides of the same coin I don’t see Israel exporting terrorism around the globe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, KentVillan said: This. That’ll be all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 25 minutes ago, meregreen said: I don’t see Israel exporting terrorism around the globe. They don't need to they've got enough in Israel and the West Bank and that's their goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/09/netanyahu-rejected-ceasefire-for-hostages-deal-in-gaza-sources-say?fbclid=PAAabEiBKXFNd-cAiehElwm-rHWVZmsBRNwM619DDBf-a3oUk9qU_o5hRlKrk_aem_AbKxnqVwr2WIMg Quote Israel-Hamas war Netanyahu rejected ceasefire-for-hostages deal in Gaza, sources say Israeli PM said to have turned down proposal in early talks and continues to take tough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 10, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, omariqy said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/09/netanyahu-rejected-ceasefire-for-hostages-deal-in-gaza-sources-say?fbclid=PAAabEiBKXFNd-cAiehElwm-rHWVZmsBRNwM619DDBf-a3oUk9qU_o5hRlKrk_aem_AbKxnqVwr2WIMg Rather selective quoting. 5 day ceasefire in return for SOME of the hostages. It doesn't mention how many Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 29 minutes ago, omariqy said: They don't need to they've got enough in Israel and the West Bank and that's their goal. Wonder why they waited till October the 7th then. Did something happen that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, meregreen said: Wonder why they waited till October the 7th then. Did something happen that day. It's been going on for 75 years 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, bickster said: Rather selective quoting. 5 day ceasefire in return for SOME of the hostages. It doesn't mention how many Sorry my pasting messed up but Quote According to three sources familiar with the talks, the original deal on the table involved freeing children, women and elderly and sick people in exchange for a five-day ceasefire, but the Israeli government turned this down and demonstrated its rejection with the launch of the ground offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Such an important watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 38 minutes ago, omariqy said: It's been going on for 75 years Disingenuous. The current situation in Gaza, was very much triggered by the events of October the 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted November 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 10, 2023 Just now, meregreen said: Disingenuous. The current situation in Gaza, was very much triggered by the events of October the 7th. Ah, you subscribe to the vacuum theory. In 10 years time when the 7 year old orphans have grown up with ptsd and have been brainwashed in an inadequate education system without access to the real world, and they’re given a backpack bomb, or a blade, or a pistol, will that be another entirely separate vacuum? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, meregreen said: Disingenuous. The current situation in Gaza, was very much triggered by the events of October the 7th. Absolute horseshit and in fact disingenuous 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Israel wouldn’t be in Gaza now if the events of October 7th hadn’t happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 2 hours ago, KentVillan said: Israel is finding far right bedfellows - because Israel has a far right government who do far right things. No? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted November 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, meregreen said: Israel wouldn’t be in Gaza now if the events of October 7th hadn’t happened. The events of October 7th wouldn’t have happened if a land hadn’t been stolen and a people kettled in to Gaza. Pointless ping pong, neither side is wholly guilty or wholly innocent. They’re in it together. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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