ozvillafan Posted June 20, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 20, 2018 2 hours ago, terrytini said: Well of course the explanation will be that VAR saw nothing deemed worthy of referring to the Ref ( and rightly so in my view but that’s subjective). And the argument will run that before VAR the Ref wouldn’t have explained why he didn’t give certain decisions so why now ? And that’s one of the issues with it. There IS a difference between a Ref making an instant decision, which we all agree or disagree with, and knowing that an incident has actually been specifically studied and assessed. Fans, Clubs, etc, WILL want to know why certain decisions were or weren’t taken further. I can see arguments for saying “ Sorry, all we will ever do is refer or not, no explanations” because it’s quite a can of worms to go the alternative route of providing information after ( or during ?!) the game. I suspect there will be a lot of pressure for the latter though. Most VAR reviews in other sports (Cricket, Rugby League, etc) play the audio of the people assessing the footage as it's being shown live. Not sure why football should be different. The thing that puzzles me is what the VAR guys actually see. On TV we get the same angle played over and over again - often the angle that makes it hard to decide. Do the VAR guys see more than 1 angle? Do they show multiple angles to the on field ref? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 20, 2018 Author VT Supporter Share Posted June 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, ozvillafan said: Most VAR reviews in other sports (Cricket, Rugby League, etc) play the audio of the people assessing the footage as it's being shown live. Not sure why football should be different. The thing that puzzles me is what the VAR guys actually see. On TV we get the same angle played over and over again - often the angle that makes it hard to decide. Do the VAR guys see more than 1 angle? Do they show multiple angles to the on field ref? The VAR guys see whatever angle they want. Only when the ref goes over to his little tv and does a proper review on the screen do we see the angles he sees (I think) Again the VAR guys don't make any decisions unless they are clear cut. Offsides for example. No discretion is needed, it's either onside or offside. For anything that requires discretion it is referred back to the referee to make the final call as far as I'm aware. Agree that hearing the communication would be good although i don't think it would work as well as rugby etc. Because they actually have to cal lon the Video ref, then you can listen to the whole convo. But for VAR I think the communication would be frequent. There wouldn't really be a define period where they were talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornso Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 16 hours ago, Zatman said: They also believe they should have had 2 penalties. One on Jesus cant remember 2nd one They should have got the penalty for the foul on Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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penguin Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 It’s really grown on me, the way it was used in the English cup games was horrific but it hasn’t slowed the game down at all here or dampened any celebrations. Will be really weird not having it in the premier league next year, every wrong decision is going to feel like a travesty of justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 it will be interesting to see if there is a curve with it and the number of penalties drop off or if the high number is here to stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 23, 2018 Author VT Supporter Share Posted June 23, 2018 I think it's showing up, mostly, how many penalties aren't given in the game because refs "aren't sure". I think it'll cause defenders to be more careful, especially on set pieces (although those seem to be the ones that are still slipping through the net) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I think it's showing up, mostly, how many penalties aren't given in the game because refs "aren't sure". I think it's reiterating just how spineless refs are. Now alot of that is the lack of support they get but refs are petrified to make any decision. They dont punish divers, they don't punish players shouting in their face, they see obvious fouls in the box that would be freekicks anywhere else on the pitch and don't give penalties, they don't punish time wasting, the list goes on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted June 23, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 23, 2018 Another glaring miss by the VAR in the Germany-Sweden game. Add that to Argentina and Serbia who can feel hard done by, among many others. If you are going to use technology, you have to apply it consistently. It's a lottery at the moment and becoming a farce. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 On 21/06/2018 at 00:39, Hornso said: They should have got the penalty for the foul on Jesus. There will be many millenia in which to complain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 3 hours ago, ozvillafan said: Another glaring miss by the VAR in the Germany-Sweden game. Add that to Argentina and Serbia who can feel hard done by, among many others. If you are going to use technology, you have to apply it consistently. It's a lottery at the moment and becoming a farce. Yep, Sweden had a crystal clear pen against Germany even without VAR, ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 6 hours ago, MrDuck said: Yep, Sweden had a crystal clear pen against Germany even without VAR, ridiculous. It's an interesting one, I thought it was a penalty, what I think helps the referee out somewhat is the 'clear and obvious' thing. Was it clear and obvious? Not really, it's split opinion with pundits, experts and fans. Personally, I can't see how it can't be a penalty, it's a foul in the box, no contact with the ball. I think the Kane and the Mitrovic penalty claims were a lot stronger. In fact absolute criminal misjustice in both incidents. I dunno whether you've seen it, but there's a picture going around the internnet of the VAR studio and someone has photoshopped mucky pictures on the TV screens. It made me laugh, it's a fairly accurate depiction since they can't have been watching the game. What is clear to me though is that Sweden can feel very hard done by. Another referee could have easily given a penalty without referencing VAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) said it before I don't trust FIFA with this technology. are they going to change a decision from the ref that probably sends out the reigning world champions and one of the biggest nations in football? Of course not. The ref should have called the pen anyway but refs and players make mistakes, it's part of the game. edit. OK so apparently since the ref didn't wan't to review the incident then VAR isn't allowed to inform him that it was a penalty. Edited June 24, 2018 by sne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Despite the tech there have been loads of clear cut penalties missed. The Mitrovic was one embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 it needs to go like Rugby for VAR decisions and players have to avoid the referee or be booked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 There are 2 many wrong decisions going on. Mitrovic not getting a penalty the other day when he was double teamed and 2 tonight in the Portugal v Iran that were given that weren't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 25, 2018 Author VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Xela said: There are 2 many wrong decisions going on. Mitrovic not getting a penalty the other day when he was double teamed and 2 tonight in the Portugal v Iran that were given that weren't! These wrong decisions would still be wrong though. That mitrovic one wouldn't have been given without VAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Bet the ref's are loving it thou. Loads of them seem to love being the center of attention and this makes them so. They don't even have the pressure of making the right calls anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 My opinion on VAR has flipped after seeing how it has been implemented. I think it has been a good thing and hopefully some elements of the game (shirt pulling in the box during set pieces especially) will start to be called more but that hasn't been the case since the Croatia/Nigeria game (iirc). The main problem that will likely never be solved is that every ref will have a different view of the same incident. Also think that going to VAR so far is a guarantee for the decision to be changed (don't remember a call that stayed the same after a review). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Absolutely ridiculous use of it for the pen in the Portugal game, what a disgrace. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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