Risso Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 50 minutes ago, Keyblade said: The thread ended when someone posted this video tbh No it didn’t. He started off by making some salient points, but then makes loads of sweeping generalisations at the end which dilute the message he’s trying to get across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keyblade Posted December 22, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2017 5 hours ago, Risso said: No it didn’t. He started off by making some salient points, but then makes loads of sweeping generalisations at the end which dilute the message he’s trying to get across. Everything he said played out to a tee in this thread. Someone even said on the previous page that it was actually racist against them that they can't do it...which he was joking about Just think about how blinded by privilege you have to be to insist on doing something that is considered offensive, and refuse to face the social consequences for doing so. Normal reactions to people saying this word/action is deeply offensive would be to: a.) Apologize and don't do it again because you're a decent human being and don't want to hurt anybody. b.) Not really give a ***** and take any criticism or outrage thrown your way because you know it's offensive but just don't care. But no, what we're seeing is "I'm going to offend you, but do NOT speak out or criticize me about that"...while acting like a word or an action is legally outlawed simply because there are social implications for doing them ( ie: "why CAN'T I do/say x/y/z?"). Utterly infuriating, but fascinating reaction. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, PompeyVillan said: In this instance you can't separate the two because of the nature of the caricature. It's a problematic portrayal of Diane Abbott, one in which the racists who abuse her will heartily approve. That's where the criticism stems from. At best it's ill advised and ignorant, at worst it's outright racist. I'll pin it ignorant and desperate for attention. And not funny. This. Make your point in a more clever way, and without running into dicey racial territory. And if you're not educated on it, get educated, it's almost 2018 FFS. Edited December 22, 2017 by maqroll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leemond2008 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I wish someone could track the darts dude down via social media and send him a link to this thread. I reckon he'd issue an apology whilst being utterly baffled at how it has escalated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, leemond2008 said: I wish someone could track the darts dude down via social media and send him a link to this thread. I reckon he'd issue an apology whilst being utterly baffled at how it has escalated. He shouldn't have to apologise, he's done nowt wrong. Ps, providing there was no racial or political intent by the person involved. Edited December 22, 2017 by Rugeley Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Have fun guys, I'm gonna duck out if this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Not sure if this has been discussed elsewhere but H&M caused a social media storm today after releasing a new marketing campaign using a black child modelling a hoodie with "coolest monkey in the jungle" on the front theyve had to apologise and pull it someone in marketing should know better but come on...that's looking for something that isn't there imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: Not sure if this has been discussed elsewhere but H&M caused a social media storm today after releasing a new marketing campaign using a black child modelling a hoodie with "coolest monkey in the jungle" on the front theyve had to apologise and pull it someone in marketing should know better but come on...that's looking for something that isn't there imo I suspect someone in marketing thought as everyone else is doing it , it will be good to show how diverse we are as a company so let’s get a black kid to model our hoodie ... im sure it was 0% racist intent , but no way social media was going to pass up the chance for some outrage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Yay more outrage over nothing Seems like unorganised and bad PR then racism to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Seems like unorganised and bad PR then racism to me that's just compounding the problem. Disorganisation & bad PR. If that's not bad enough, they've then thrown in some racism for good measure!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted January 10, 2018 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2018 10 hours ago, villa4europe said: Not sure if this has been discussed elsewhere but H&M caused a social media storm today after releasing a new marketing campaign using a black child modelling a hoodie with "coolest monkey in the jungle" on the front theyve had to apologise and pull it someone in marketing should know better but come on...that's looking for something that isn't there imo I mean it's sloppy marketing, they probably should have noticed that might be an issue. But to be honest I find it more racist that people are offended by it. They're the ones associating "monkey" with a black child. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Rightly withdrawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Just now, Stevo985 said: But to be honest I find it more racist that people are offended by it. They're the ones associating "monkey" with a black child. I think history and oppression are doing that. That's the line you trot out now in defence of this shit Ben. "You have no right to get offended because you are not black". Jeez. I'm not offended by it, but I can see why it was wrong, and why it has been withdrawn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 10, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2018 Just now, Jon said: I think history and oppression are doing that. That's the line you trot out now in defence of this shit Ben. "You have no right to get offended because you are not black". Jeez. I'm not offended by it, but I can see why it was wrong, and why it has been withdrawn. Read my previous posts in this thread and you'll see that's not my view on these things. I just personally don't think that hoodie on a black child is offensive. I can see why it's been withdrawn and don't disagree with that action, but on the other hand wouldn't have been surprised if that particular advert had been run and nobody had noticed a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 The little hoodie kid is going places. I've never seen someone so young pull off "blue steel" so effortlessly . I bet he can turn left too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: But to be honest I find it more racist that people are offended by it. They're the ones associating "monkey" with a black child. That's rubbish. There is no blank slate, here. Consideration of the history of the kind of language that has been used in a pejorative way against black people is not 'being racist'. It's not just 'monkey' that is the issue in the slogan. Jungle is, too. Swap out bunny for monkey and I dare say it might be considered a shade worse by some people. Edited January 10, 2018 by snowychap 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, Jon said: Rightly withdrawn. The advert or the product ( as they’ve also withdrawn that ) they are right to pull the advert , they made a mistake , it’s been pointed out why it offends and they’ve pulled it.. I don’t personally believe H and M marketing went into a brain storming session and said I know let’s make a racist advertising campaign , so naive mistake , apology accepted and let’s move on but I don’t see why they’ve pulled the product , kids in general have been called “little monkeys “ for donkeys years with no racial connotations 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 34 minutes ago, Jon said: Rightly withdrawn. I think its cool that they chose a black kid to advertise this just a shame about the word. But then you have to ask yourself did the parents notice this? If they did they didnt find it racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 10, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, snowychap said: That's rubbish. There is no blank slate, here. Consideration of the history of the kind of language that has been used in a pejorative way against black people is not 'being racist'. It's not just 'monkey' that is the issue in the slogan. Jungle is, too. Swap out bunny for monkey and I dare say it might be considered a shade worse by some people. Fair enough. I don't see it that way but understand the point. Personally if I saw a black child dressed in that hoody I wouldn't think anything of it. If someone then said "they shouldn't have 'monkey' written on that black child's hoody" I'd be more offended by them making that connection than the hoody itself. But that's my personal view, as I've already said, I understand the withdrawal of the advert (not the product) and why it's been done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I think the problem here is; 1. Do we acknowledge the past and connotations associated with these words/phrases Or 2. Be progressive and not let the past dictate what we should or should not do now or in the future. If everyone is equal then there is nothing wrong with it. If you're aware of past prejudices, then obviously there is scope for upset. That said, i doubt a 6 year old black or white kid is aware of anything wrong with that advert. It's one of those things where you're probably waiting for 20th century people to die out and the meaning is diluted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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