lapal_fan Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Just now, Stevo985 said: I know the conversation has moved on, but wasn’t the joke in that movie that it WAS racist? They played on that, yea. So as long as you're self aware, then it's ok? But what about the people who lived through this in the 1950s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Just now, Stevo985 said: Something about reading a load of white blokes arguing about what offends black people seems utterly pointless. This is the crux of the matter right here. I was trying to make a similar point earlier, and ended up waffling. No one can tell another person what isn't racist or offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 21, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, lapal_fan said: They played on that, yea. So as long as you're self aware, then it's ok? But what about the people who lived through this in the 1950s? Well in terms of that movie I think it treads that tricky line of laughing at someone being racist because you know it’s wrong. Like in It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia, the characters are often racist. The comedy is in the fact that they are terrible humans and you know what they are doing is wrong. But it’s a tricky balance. as for the guy at the darts, just don’t black up. It’s generally accepted that blacking up is offensive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 21, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2017 34 minutes ago, bickster said: Eddy Murphy - White Chicks. Just putting it out there I preferred him in Bad Boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted December 21, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2017 If I remember rightly, when Tropic Thunder came out, the biggest controversy wasn’t the Downey Jnr character, it was the “go full retard” scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted December 21, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Xann said: Off topic, but I love that this post is still in this thread Edited December 21, 2017 by Shropshire Lad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 15 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Well in terms of that movie I think it treads that tricky line of laughing at someone being racist because you know it’s wrong. Like in It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia, the characters are often racist. The comedy is in the fact that they are terrible humans and you know what they are doing is wrong. But it’s a tricky balance. Funnily enough I just watch led “The Dictator” tonight on amazon and arguably it’s the most racist film since the phantom menace Similar sentence applies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 21, 2017 Moderator Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 19/12/2017 at 10:07, Straggler said: Yes Diane Abbott is black, but you don't have to black up to dress as her. The costume the chap is wearing is good enough to identify himself as Abbott without the makeup, particularly with the crappy maths on display. 1 Sorry but that's nonsense. If he hadn't blacked up, he'd be Angela Eagle EDIT: Or Emily Thornberry for that matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: I preferred him in Bad Boys Reverse racist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 8 hours ago, peterms said: If that's meant to be sarcasm, it's too crude and wooden to be amusing. Translating the sentiment behind it to the UK about now, what is suggested is that if you hear that certain expressions, actions or attitudes are offensive, you make some attempt to understand why, so that you can choose not to use them and avoid offence, or else use them in the knowledge that you seek to offend. Preferably the former, but it's really your choice. We had the same discussion, as a society, about terms like nigger, coloured, cripple and others. We seemed to manage to deal with that. You are "allowed" to do all sorts of things. You are for example allowed to act like a complete arse. You are also allowed to be called out and criticised for it. I really struggle to understand why some people like to pretend there is some sort of Stasi exercising thought control over them, rather than simply commenting when they act like fuckwits. Something about revelling in imagined victimhood, I suppose. I literally haven’t got the energy or inclination to go through this post and reply to it all. Have fun on your high horse though, grading jokes along the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 6 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Something about reading a load of white blokes arguing about what offends black people seems utterly pointless. Something about reading a load of white blokes arguing about what black people shouldn't be offended by seems incredibly crass. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted December 21, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2017 7 hours ago, Shropshire Lad said: If I remember rightly, when Tropic Thunder came out, the biggest controversy wasn’t the Downey Jnr character, it was the “go full retard” scene. In that case the 'blacking up' was a send up of peg pretentious (usually white) actors, it's using something crass to highlight another thing to mock. Whereas the 'full retard' scene is rather more discriminatory, not too far from saying 'never go full black' or 'never go full cripple', you're using the term in a negative connotation to mock the subject. Blacking up is one of those things that's so incendiary is very difficult to use without the racist connotation. Tropic Thunder is one of the few that gets it right with very careful writing and pitching it perfectly to use it as a tool to satire something else. Dressing up as Diane Abbott or the stereotypical Harlem Globetrotters... Not so much. You just don't do it. The connections and connotations of it are so grim it's not on. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 “Stereotypical Harlem Globetrotters”? What on earth does that mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted December 21, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2017 Maybe I’ve missed something, but I didn’t think we were discussing what black people find offensive/racist. I thought we were discussing whether people on here find blacking up offensive and how racist it’s perceived in society as a whole. I wouldn’t dare presume what black/non white people deem as offensive or racist as it will no doubt vary from person to person. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Jon said: Something about reading a load of white blokes arguing about what black people shouldn't be offended by seems incredibly crass. I don’t think anyone specifically made the point about what black people find offensive tbf the argument as I saw it was around was it racist ... some people said yes some people said no ... isn’t that the point of having a discussion on a forum ? It’s subjective , same as people’s views on a privileged anarchist stopping a boat race 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) i really don't see the problem and I wonder if this fuss would be made if some black dude painted his face white. Edited December 21, 2017 by Rugeley Villa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Rugeley Villa said: i really don't see the problem and I wonder if this fuss would be made if some black dude painted his face white. It’s just not the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Michelsen said: It’s just not the same thing. I have massive problems with that statement. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted December 21, 2017 Administrator Share Posted December 21, 2017 11 hours ago, Risso said: Uh oh, you said Eskimo. To Eskimos, Eskimo is the correct weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS Posted December 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2017 It's like everything in the world today - take it in isolation and it's quite innocent and harmless, take it in the context of human history and it appears quite different. It's a sad reality but modern society is simply the manifestation of all our previous generation's poor choices. And it doesn't just end with society! It's everything! Christ I can't even drink through a straw these days without someone shoving a picture of turtle with one up it's nose, shouting "save the oceans" at me. We've royally buggered the place up top to bottom! Start the exodous to Mars now... everyone gets there own patch of rocks and a new face. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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