Popular Post Xela Posted January 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2020 The FA Cup Growing up as a kid the 3rd round Saturday was magical. You'd look forward to it the night before, pore over all the fixtures and see if you could spot a giant killing. All the top teams fielded full strength teams. Now is it a shambles. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 At half time of the villa game I saw the highlights of Rotherham vs Hull, Hull won 3-2 last minute winner, red card, looked a decent game Also looked like both teams played their reserves in a half empty stadium No one cares anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, Xela said: The FA Cup Growing up as a kid the 3rd round Saturday was magical. You'd look forward to it the night before, pore over all the fixtures and see if you could spot a giant killing. All the top teams fielded full strength teams. Now is it a shambles. I look at both domestic cups and question whether they should even exist anymore. The league cup in particular should probably go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted January 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) I miss the cup winners cup. Tuesday night Uefa cup, Wednesday night European cup, Thursday night cup winners cup, simpler times. Edited January 4, 2020 by Kuwabatake Sanjuro 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 League Cup probably has more relevance than the FA Cup these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 domestic cup is plenty. Rather the FA cup than the soda pop cup but get rid of one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Said it before, make the cup squad the same team you have to pick all through the rounds out of a squad,no more tolerance teams playing the reserves until the semis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 They could do the German model for the 3rd round and make the highest ranking club play away. That might add interest Obvious to give a 4th Champions League spot to the winner but they don't have the bottle. Maybe make teams play 8 players from the last league game and if not punish them by having to start the next season a round earlier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Start with taking the European qualified teams out of the league cup Then stop with the fuckaboutery with the kick offs and the TV games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Zatman said: They could do the German model for the 3rd round and make the highest ranking club play away. That might add interest Obvious to give a 4th Champions League spot to the winner but they don't have the bottle. Maybe make teams play 8 players from the last league game and if not punish them by having to start the next season a round earlier I'd be up for that. No premier league team could play each other and same for the teams in other leagues, every prem team gets an away game. Ties like Chelsea-Forest and Arsenal-Leeds would be more interesting if the championship side was at home. I do agree though it feels a lost cause whatever course of action. The premier league becoming the centre of all greed, semi finals at Wembley, messing around with the Final (remember it being played on weekends when there were league fixtures) and Man. United being made to pull out in 2000 have all played parts. With the winter break I don't understand why it's in mid Feb when all the other leagues have their ones around the new year. Maybe to stop the weakened teams you could have 10 days off after 1st January and then come back fresher for third round weekend. Edited January 5, 2020 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I’d be really sad if the league cup was axed. Villa have a real legacy in that competition. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Wainy316 said: I’d be really sad if the league cup was axed. Villa have a real legacy in that competition. And it would be forever preserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: And it would be forever preserved. If only they’d ended all football in 1910. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: If only they’d ended all football in 1910. World champs baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 What I'd give for the League Cup/FA Cup The money is the deciding factor. There isn't enough incentive for the bigger teams to play strong squads, plus the disparity between top half prem clubs vs anyone in the league below is so great the smaller clubs know they are wasting their time as well. The League/FA cups are more of a hinderance to anyone in the lower half of the Prem, the top half of the Championship and anyone else who is either fighting for promotion or against relegation. Maybe you could say if you win a cup you get promoted?! But then the lucrative play offs are scrapped. You also get the shit thing of Millwall in the Europa League when they got trounced by Man Utd in the final in about 2008, it's pointless. It's like our position now, most of us are glad we lost against Fulham, a lot of us are excited by Leicester and a potential final, but are we really going to win the competition?? Highly unlikely, in which case you'd rather we concentrate on Prem survival, which again takes away from the Cups. It's hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 18 hours ago, Zatman said: They could do the German model for the 3rd round and make the highest ranking club play away. That might add interest Obvious to give a 4th Champions League spot to the winner but they don't have the bottle. Maybe make teams play 8 players from the last league game and if not punish them by having to start the next season a round earlier Not sure this is the issue, really. Offering a 4th Champions League spot wouldn't change much at all. Once teams reach the latter stages of the cups (maybe quarters or semis) they'll start playing strong sides anyway. With the exception of 2011 (Blues) and 2013 (Swansea), every League Cup since and including 2005 has been won by one of the, now long-standing, top 6. With the F.A. Cup it's even worse - with the exception of 2008 (Portsmouth) and 2013 (Wigan), every cup since 1996 has been won by one of the top 6. It's all a shame, but if you're going to make the league so much of a financial incentive, you're going to miss out on classic cup games. Maybe if we took £500m from PL prize money each season and chucked it all into the F.A. Cup, teams would give more of a shit. That said, the cup games are huge financial incentives for lower league sides. It means a lot to them. I can't remember the exact details, but Newport's cup run recently netted them something like £1.3m and enabled them to improve their training facilities and invest in a pitch that is shared between 3 professional sport teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 6, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 6, 2020 I'm gonna go against the grain and say I don't think either cup has been devalued that much at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I'm gonna go against the grain and say I don't think either cup has been devalued that much at all. 3rd cup third round has been devalued for sure. Even in the mid 90s it was still one of the biggest weekends of the season but lost that aura nowadays. Ultimately you're always at the mercy of the draw. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 7, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2020 10 hours ago, VillaChris said: 3rd cup third round has been devalued for sure. Even in the mid 90s it was still one of the biggest weekends of the season but lost that aura nowadays. Ultimately you're always at the mercy of the draw. Yep the earlier rounds have. But I think it's more of an issue with squad sizes and the strength of teams. Man City and Liverpool can put their reserves out and know they have a decent chance of progressing. I think the cups themselves are still valued. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhavenhibby Posted January 7, 2020 Visiting Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2020 I think the prestige of winning a cup ( League or FA) is still there and top teams will go for it if they get to the semi / final. However maintenance of your League position is more important in this finance run game ( certainly in England) and certainly at this time of the season ( after a busy xmas / New Year) where clubs are desperate to stay up / win their League, progress in Europe ( another gravy train with TV fees) , a chance to rest key players is a given and now a norm......unfortunately, from a neutrals point of view. Its all about the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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