General Election 2017

[Davkaus]

32 minutes ago, bickster said:

 

There's a whole bunch of moronic lemmings in this country that vote against their best interests

I think a distinction needs to be drawn between "voting against your best interests" and "voting against your immediate financial best interests". 

I'll quite happily vote for a party that'll increase funding for education and the NHS, for example, even though it'll hit me in the pocket. I'll certainly benefit from living in a healthier, better educated country, though.

The rumoured inheritance tax will quite possibly affect me as well, if it's implemented, but let's face it, the people getting a £425k+ inheritance aren't the people that need a helping hand. 

[choffer]

36 minutes ago, bickster said:

There's a whole bunch of moronic lemmings in this country that vote against their best interests

Trying not to virtue signal here but my own best interests are rarely a consideration when determining where my vote goes.

[bickster]

Just now, Davkaus said:

The rumoured inheritance tax will quite possibly affect me as well, if it's implemented, but let's face it, the people getting a £425k+ inheritance aren't the people that need a helping hand. 

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It's not an inheritance tax, it is deliberately misnamed. It's a death tax. It is the total estate that is taxed not the individual inheritance. This money has been taxed and taxed again continually throughout someone's life then they tax it again for having the cheek to die.

If it was actually an inheritance tax I wouldn't object to it

[PieFacE]

I have no problems with people getting taxed on £425k+ inheritance money. I'll never see anything like that in my life time, and if you're in for £425k, then you're hardly skint. 

Edited May 16, 2017 by PieFacE

[bickster]

1 minute ago, PieFacE said:

I have no problems with people getting taxed on £425k+ inheritance money. I'll never see anything like that in my life time, and if you're in for £425k, then you're hardly skint. 

You've fallen into the trap of believing the title. The people inheriting the money aren't taxed, the dead person is taxed befoe any money is divided and distributed to the benefactors. It's a death tax

[PieFacE]

2 minutes ago, bickster said:

You've fallen into the trap of believing the title. The people inheriting the money aren't taxed, the dead person is taxed befoe any money is divided and distributed to the benefactors. It's a death tax

Oooooh....  so, you get taxed for dying?

Whilst I guess you won't care that you're being taxed when you're dead, it does seem a little.... shitty? 

[Demitri_C]

24 minutes ago, PieFacE said:

I have no problems with people getting taxed on £425k+ inheritance money. I'll never see anything like that in my life time, and if you're in for £425k, then you're hardly skint. 

Shows how little people know. 425k in London buys you a very small home.  It's a fact London prices are higher than anywhere in the country.  People are having to pay over the odds for properties and struggling to live and keep up with their mortgages. So for me this is completely wrong, price value of a property does not determine whether your skint or not.

Like bicks says it's a death tax, can't see why anyone would argue that as that's exactly what it is!

[Demitri_C]

21 minutes ago, PieFacE said:

Oooooh....  so, you get taxed for dying?

Whilst I guess you won't care that you're being taxed when you're dead, it does seem a little.... shitty? 

But it's not the point is it? You being paying the tax all your life and yet they want to tax you obscene amounts once you die

[PieFacE]

6 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Shows how little people know. 425k in London buys you a very small home.  It's a fact London prices are higher than anywhere in the country.  People are having to pay over the odds for properties and struggling to live and keep up with their mortgages. So for me this is completely wrong, price value of a property does not determine whether your skint or not.

Like bicks says it's a death tax, can't see why anyone would argue that as that's exactly what it is!

 

I am aware of how prices in London are much higher. Isn't that just part and parcel of living in London though?

How about let's not apply all the rules in our country on how it effects people in London, let's do it for the masses of people outside of it.

Edited May 16, 2017 by PieFacE

[PieFacE]

5 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

But it's not the point is it? You being paying the tax all your life and yet they want to tax you obscene amounts once you die

And yeah, I said it's a bit shitty.

[Rodders]

the world remains offensively unequal, measures that seek to bring that back down are fine by me.  If you've done well enough in life that a death tax or whatever would say you pay a prety penny it's hard to have much sympathy. You've had a good life, in and there are still 60 million others in the state attempting to the do the same in the time after your death. 

 

Fully supportive of these labour tax rises they're announcing on the news at the moment. 

45% at 80,000 and 50% at 123,000 whilst belated returning the corporation tax to measures that aren't a disgusting giveaway to the rich. 

[MakemineVanilla]

25 minutes ago, choffer said:

Trying not to virtue signal here but my own best interests are rarely a consideration when determining where my vote goes.

If you don't happen to be on a particular party's special victims list, which most people aren't, it is not possible to determine your vote using self-interest as your guide.

You are just left with the only option of choosing the party which irritates you the least.

Its a choice between a party which pretends to be tough by being slightly nasty or a party which attacks everyone who happens to disagree with them and claims to be altruistic while ensuring their claims to virtue are paid for by other people. 

It all depends on your sensibilities.

[Demitri_C]

34 minutes ago, PieFacE said:

 

I am aware of how prices in London are much higher. Isn't that just part and parcel of living in London though?

How about let's not apply all the rules in our country on how it effects people in London, let's do it for the masses of people outside of it.

Easy to say that if you don't live in London and it will effect you more than lets say somewhere in Manchester that probably would be a much larger home but cost significantly less!

A more fairer tax on properties would be size not just value

[choffer]

1 hour ago, MakemineVanilla said:

If you don't happen to be on a particular party's special victims list, which most people aren't, it is not possible to determine your vote using self-interest as your guide.

You are just left with the only option of choosing the party which irritates you the least.

Its a choice between a party which pretends to be tough by being slightly nasty or a party which attacks everyone who happens to disagree with them and claims to be altruistic while ensuring their claims to virtue are paid for by other people. 

It all depends on your sensibilities.

It might just be me but my major consideration when deciding where to cast my vote is to work out who will have the most positive impact on the country as a whole. I am not interested in rich people making more money at the expense of others, I am interested in equity (as opposed to equality) for all.

I live a comfortable life and want for little. Sure, I've worked hard to get where I am today (insert CJ gif) but I've also had a leg-up on a number of occasions. Just because I've worked for it, doesn't make me more deserving of healthcare, for example. The fact that food banks are used to prop up the system, that the NHS is being battered, that corporate greed is not only rampant but encouraged - these are the things that make me decide where to cast my vote. 

See, I ended up virtue signalling after all, bloody snowflake that I am.

Edited May 16, 2017 by choffer

[choffer]

4 hours ago, Demitri_C said:

Shows how little people know. 425k in London buys you a very small home.

Not true. It depends where you want to live. I have a really nice, relatively new flat in west London that cost me £240,000 only 6 years ago. Admittedly, it's not in a great part of London but even now, its value is nowhere near £425k

4 hours ago, Demitri_C said:

It's a fact London prices are higher than anywhere in the country.

Edinburgh says hello.

4 hours ago, Demitri_C said:

People are having to pay over the odds for properties and struggling to live and keep up with their mortgages.

I agree on this bit. I don't know how anyone gets started these days. If you earn a "decent" London salary of £50k a year, you aren't going to get a mortgage for anything in London unless you have help or are one of the lucky few key workers who manage to get one of the few properties available to them.

[Awol]

Isn't one of the problems in London the amount of foreign capital that is used to buy housing stock as investment property, thus driving up prices across the board? 

Not meaning to unleash my inner Socialist but could there be an argument to restrict those type of purchases in certain post codes to stop or reverse things becoming so unbalanced across the housing market? 

Fair one if someone from abroad is actually living in the property (not a 'British houses for British people' policy!) but if it's sat empty or being rented for huge amounts by a foreign individual or corporate entity eventually it becomes completely unsustainable.

[snowychap]

1 hour ago, Rodders said:

45% at 80,000 and 50% at 123,000

If they're going to suggest tax bracket changes in and around these income levels then they really ought to also suggest addressing the marginal rates that occur for those between £100k and £123k due to the incremental removal of the personal allowance.

[TrentVilla]

2 hours ago, Chindie said:

Trent taking cues from Theresa there

If you can find a reference to Lord Grovsnor in reference to the unfairness of the inheritance tax system.... well you can inherit £10 and the internet today.

[Chindie]

Just now, TrentVilla said:

If you can find a reference to Lord Grovsnor in reference to the unfairness of the inheritance tax system.... well you can inherit £10 and the internet today.

It was a terrible gag at repeating yourself . 'Strong and stable... Strong and stable... Strong and stable'. 

[TrentVilla]

42 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Easy to say that if you don't live in London and it will effect you more than lets say somewhere in Manchester that probably would be a much larger home but cost significantly less!

A more fairer tax on properties would be size not just value

So someone who has a large and cheap house in the North should be taxed more than someone with a small expensive one in the South?

You should email that to Tory HQ you might win a prize. (Don't worry if you've not got May's email, send it to anyone you like she is reading them all anyway)