PieFacE Posted May 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, Chindie said: Strong leader who has debated up and down the count.. Hahahaha...haha...hahahaha... ... Snigger... ...up and down the country Home Brand Maggie, has a conference today and the journalists aren't allowed to ask questions unless picked to ask, and seems they have to declare their questions beforehand once picked. Utter coward. Thing is, there's no need for her to put herself under any kind of unwanted pressure because all she has to do win is to not **** up. I'm not remotely surprised she's behaving the way she is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Thing is, there's no need for her to put herself under any kind of unwanted pressure because all she has to do win is to not **** up. I'm not remotely surprised she's behaving the way she is. Oh certainly. Everything she does beyond pretending to be electioneering weakens her hand potentially given how commanding her position is and how bad her opposition is. Doesn't mean we have to like or accept it though. Especially when she's running around pretending to be some great strong leader when it's a paper thin facade. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 it's behaviour that she should be torn to shreds for by the media. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Thing is, there's no need for her to put herself under any kind of unwanted pressure because all she has to do win is to not **** up. I'm not remotely surprised she's behaving the way she is. It shows a lack of confidence, and weakness under scrutiny. It's also contemptuous and disrespectful to the electorate. Theresa May think's she can stamp her feet and shout "strong and stable" and people will vote for her. On top of this she's copying a Labour 2015 manifesto pledge, one that she and members of her cabinet opposed. Surely even the most ardent Conservatives are quite embarrassed by another yet another spectacular U-turn? She's insulting the intelligence of her own supporters. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Also it's up to someone in the media to ask, when picked, why Theresa May is censoring the questions being put to her. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted May 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2017 34 minutes ago, Chindie said: Oh certainly. Everything she does beyond pretending to be electioneering weakens her hand potentially given how commanding her position is and how bad her opposition is. Doesn't mean we have to like or accept it though. Especially when she's running around pretending to be some great strong leader when it's a paper thin facade. Yup I don't like it either and I think it's pretty poor form, though, I do understand why she is. As amole said, the media should be tearing her apart for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Yup I don't like it either and I think it's pretty poor form, though, I do understand why she is. As amole said, the media should be tearing her apart for it. almost as if there is an agenda that needs someone like may and the Tories in charge that the those controlling said media support, but i'm sure its just a coincidence Edited May 9, 2017 by mockingbird_franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 25 minutes ago, PompeyVillan said: Also it's up to someone in the media to ask, when picked, why Theresa May is censoring the questions being put to her. well there has never been a shortage of people willing to sell their fellow man short for a few pieces of silver or some other perceived advantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 9, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 hour ago, PompeyVillan said: Labour don't exist to stop the Conservatives, they exist to be in power. If only.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2017 She's now taking random questions from factory workers. Presumably they're considered less dangerous. Although even random members of the public weren't allowed to speak to her previously at these events. The journalists earlier weren't even allowed to hold the mic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 9, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 hour ago, dAVe80 said: Sorry for the confusion, but that's not what I meant. I don't consider them to be any kind of left. I consider them red Tories. The issue we still have, and unfortunately will continue to have, is although he's leader, the right (to make it clear I mean the likes of Mandelson, McNicol, and a lot of the PLP, especially Progress members) will not accept the mandate given to the leader by the members. They work constantly to undermine him, and help ensure the party continues to look like the shambles it appears. I understand that you don't hold the same view on me as this, and you have other reasons for not liking Jeremy (which I understand, even if I disagree with). The problem is though, for members like me, who voted for him, and still support him, his detractors in the party still hold power, so the message we support and want to represent us is muddied, and lost. It's incredibly frustrating, because we believe if we could get a party where everyone sings from the same sheet, with the biggest membership of any party in Europe, we should be able to walk the election. I understand this is equally frustrating for people who feel they want to support Labour, but can't, however (and this is probably an area where we're going to differ the most) we feel that Jeremy just hasn't been given a fair run by his own party. On all this in-fighting etc. My understanding of the structure is that it's not just "elect a leader" and then he's all powerful. There's a whole bunch of roles which are elected - deputy as well as leader and then the various NEC folk. They're all elected, too. Now just because Jeremy doesn't agree with them, or vice versa doesn't make them by default wrong. I completely accept that a bunch of people have been complete knobheads reagrding Corbyn - there's a fair part of Labour's problems caused by the system they have and the people in it (and that includes Corbyn and his chums as well as the various dinosaurs/Blairites/red tories/whatever ).. people want to slag them off as. But all that going on is just another reason why they won't get in. It seems like an insoluble mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 9, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 hour ago, PompeyVillan said: On top of this she's copying a Labour 2015 manifesto pledge, one that she and members of her cabinet opposed. Surely even the most ardent Conservatives are quite embarrassed by another yet another spectacular U-turn? It's what they do. The Conservatives do exist to get and hold on to power. They will say and do practically anything to get power. Mimic UKIPs on immigration and Foreigners and Brexit to get their voters, then move on to claiming to mimic Labour on Utility bills, or Liberals on Tax thresholds or Greens on the environment (for a while). They don't actually mean any of it, it's just a means to an end. But it works unless the opposition has a credible "story" and a credible sounding plan and a credible looking leader and a united party. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, blandy said: On all this in-fighting etc. My understanding of the structure is that it's not just "elect a leader" and then he's all powerful. There's a whole bunch of roles which are elected - deputy as well as leader and then the various NEC folk. They're all elected, too. Now just because Jeremy doesn't agree with them, or vice versa doesn't make them by default wrong. This is correct. The problem (which addresses the second part of that paragraph) is that although they don't have to agree with him, they should at least make an effort to work with him, which unfortunately they haven't as far as I, and many other members are concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) Like it or not this election is turning into a rerun of the EU Referendum. Vote blue to leave or red to maybe have a rethink. Similar to the US elections, I'm not sure the mass celebrity bawling over Brexit will do anything other than make even more people vote tory, just in case. Edited May 9, 2017 by LakotaDakota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 3 hours ago, PompeyVillan said: Doesn't no progressive alliances mean, you know, no progressive alliances? Labour don't exist to stop the Conservatives, they exist to be in power. A simple 'like' isn't enough for this post. The bolded line is it. All that needs to be said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 9, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 hour ago, dAVe80 said: This is correct. The problem (which addresses the second part of that paragraph) is that although they don't have to agree with him, they should at least make an effort to work with him, which unfortunately they haven't as far as I, and many other members are concerned. I think the reverse is also true, whether by intent or incompetence or both. All the hints and threats of deselection, the lack of opposition to bullying, the deliberate rejecting of secret ballots (so that anyone who votes on the NEC in a different way to Corbyn) can be found out and hounded. The bungled appointments to the shadow cabinet, giving 2 people the same job... 2 way street. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said: Like it or not this election is turning into a rerun of the EU Referendum. Vote blue to leave or red to maybe have a rethink. Similar to the US elections, I'm not sure the mass celebrity bawling over Brexit will do anything other than make even more people vote tory, just in case. Exactly, if you voted to leave then there's only one option really, and as that was 52% of the biggest turnout the UK have ever had explains the massive poll lead. The remain vote is much more likely to be split, with the added complication for Labour that the Tories seem to be hoovering up a fair amount of Unionists in Scotland making a comeback there even less likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 3 hours ago, Chindie said: Especially when she's running around pretending to be some great strong leader when it's a paper thin facade. Paper-thin indeed. This is the woman we need at the negotiating table, standing up for Britain under pressure! Hopefully European leaders agree to only ask nice questions and submit all their plans in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted May 9, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2017 Corbyn being a dick again Quote Jeremy Corbyn's team told BuzzFeed News it was "not invited" to campaign events on Tuesday and that access to the Labour leader would be limited for the rest of the campaign, following the publication of an interview on Monday night in which Corbyn said he intended to remain in the job even if he lost the general election. A BuzzFeed News reporter covering Labour's campaign launch in Manchester on Tuesday was told she could not join the leader on campaign stops in the afternoon. An aide told her BuzzFeed News was not invited and implied it was as a result of the interview, which led on Corbyn's comment that he would "stay leader of this party" regardless of the election results. Political editor Jim Waterson, who carried out the interview, then contacted Corbyn's spokesperson to find out why we had not been invited to the campaign stops. A senior Corbyn aide told him that BuzzFeed News would now find its access limited because the interview had disrupted media coverage of Labour's launch event, that we had not informed Corbyn's team in advance of the headline we intended to run, and that we had press released the interview to other media organisations who then chose to pick it up. There were no disputes about the accuracy of the reporting of the comments made by Corbyn regarding his political future, which were also recorded by the Labour leader's team. Aides were present throughout the conversation. But in an interview with BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg on Tuesday afternoon, Corbyn denied saying in the interview that he would stay on if he lost. He told her: "No, I told them I would carry on as leader because we'll have won the election by then." As a result, BuzzFeed News is now publishing the audio recording of the interview which shows that he was responding to the question of what would happen if Labour lost. Similar to the tories, really. Lying, controlling media access and biffing media who report or ask unapproved questions etc. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 16 minutes ago, blandy said: Corbyn being a dick again Similar to the tories, really. Lying, controlling media access and biffing media who report or ask unapproved questions etc. Sometimes you have to get dirty when wrestling a pig. If he didn't tighten things up you'd be calling him naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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