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A few years back I got really into Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister again. It was golden TV. I watched it all the way through and laughed as the civil service kept the country on the straight and narrow and stopped the politicians... well doing anything. 

What happened to that? 

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11 hours ago, peterms said:

There are quite a few people right now rehearsing mea culpas about their assessment of Corbyn.

I wonder if any of this select group of thinkers will be among them?

 

How embarrassing for the Labour Party. What fools

corbyn showed them

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5 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

Yeah, I have to agree that there isn't a standout replacement. Incredible that they've been in office for seven years, largest party in three elections, yet seem to have such a shallow bench

They should just troll everyone, and go for top europhile Ken Clarke. 

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1 minute ago, Demitri_C said:

How embarrassing for the Labour Party. What fools

corbyn showed them

By losing the election? To an absolutely awful Tory campaign. 

I feel like I missed something with all the celebration and we have a Labour government. Not a hard right May-Dup coalition. 

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36 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

Somebody needs to tell her enough is enough.

 

I am sticking to my guns,  I am convinced all is not well in her head.  Her answers to seemingly simple questions cause her head to cave in mentally and her face can't lie even if her mouth can't help it.  She is not self aware in that her answers are so, so shit and make so little sense in any other job her sanity would be questioned on an hourly basis.  


Question: Did you think about resigning ?

Answer: I was busy thinking about my colleagues who lost their seats.

My granddaughter does this and she is 4 years old.  

Question: Did you eat all the biscuits ?

Answer: Shall we take the dog to the beech granddad ?

She has no clue and should never be put in front of the camera.  If she had turned up to the debate's from what I know now I think they would now be in a minority to Labour so now we know why she was not there.

She might also have a touch of Munchhausen's by proxy,  in that everyone near her looks proper ill,  her fella as nice as he is, looks like he is permanently auditing for the job as "The Forger".  He is just waiting for the big call and the right war film re-boot to come along.

 

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My own worry with Corbyn is that I feel he may have a plateau in terms of support, and it's always been a worry that even modest working families are put off by 'socialism'.

But what London has proved is that young people will not ignore inequality, or at least they know it exists. But I do wonder is that is because in the social media age, it is so hard to ignore. I dunno, British kids are bright, they deserve better and fair play to them they won't be ignored anymore.

I'm not 'having a go' at my constituency but most people around here wonder what all the fuss is about. Things are alright for most (me included), not amazing, but alright. There's quite a few that are quite alright. Not the sort of place, even in a monumental landslide that is likely to change from Tory.

 

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Party Votes % of Votes   Seats
Conservatives 13,632,914 42.65% 277.22 277
Labour 12,874,985 40.28% 261.82 262
SNP 977,659 3.06% 19.89 20
Liberal Democrats 2,371,772 7.42% 48.23 48
DUP 292,316 0.91% 5.915 6
Sinn Fein 238,915 0.75% 4.875 5
Plaid Cymru 164,466 0.51% 3.315 3
Green 525,371 1.64% 10.66 11
Speaker (John Bercow) 34,299 0.11% 0.715 1
Ind (Sylvia Hermon) 16,148 0.05% 0.325 0
UKIP 593,852 1.86% 12.09 12
SDLP 95,419 0.30% 1.95 2
UUP 83,280 0.26% 1.69 2
APNI 64,553 0.20% 1.3 1
  31,965,949     650

Under a pure PR system.

What I find interesting is this conversation that Corbyn didn't do as well as people are claiming - they were 757929 short of the Conservatives. First Past the Post proves again to be absolute dogshit in terms of representing the views of the electorate.

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Ironically the progressive alliance plan was sunk by the SNP & their railroading of legislation for Indyref2 & letting in the Tories as the anti choice.

Corbyn bought the youth vote with the tuition fees promise while May euthanised most of her core vote with the Dementia Tax, topped off with winter fuel and pinching school lunches. 

She called it the Brexit election then made it about traditional policies of haves vs have nots, playing straight in to Labour's line of the 'many not the Jew'.

The funny part of all this is that Labour's manifesto of state aid and sweeping nationalisations is impossible within the EU single market, so the economic logic for Labour is to pursue 'hard' Brexit - which their younger supporters generally don't want. 

The whole shebang is an incoherent mess and another election is unavoidable imo.

The EU will extend Art 50 while we sort ourselves out, for no other reason than no deal means no money.

 

 

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55 minutes ago, jon_c said:

By losing the election? To an absolutely awful Tory campaign. 

I feel like I missed something with all the celebration and we have a Labour government. Not a hard right May-Dup coalition. 

While i don't think they should be celebrating a loss it's a massive gain and improvement on postion.

I think most of those against Corbyn were so because of the position of Labour at the time. They wanted to be on correct side when he fell/failed/left and could be part of the "I told you so brigade".

The problem I have had with Labour is that they havnt been very left. I don't even think they are now but being slightly left is now considered extreme left. Labour have just been Tory light. 

From a Labour point of view the current government is surely one that cannot succeed and the opposition at least for now are united in stopping them.

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1 hour ago, jon_c said:

By losing the election? To an absolutely awful Tory campaign. 

I feel like I missed something with all the celebration and we have a Labour government. Not a hard right May-Dup coalition. 

That rather ignores the performance against expectations and forecasts.

We've had stuff about how the manifesto was a suicide note à la 1983, that this election was going to see the end of the Labour party with it splitting and that there was going to be a Tory landslide (which I fully expected just to be clear that I'm not ignoring what I thought up until the results showed how wrong I was).

In all of that context, for the Labour party to have performed as they did is more than a decent result for them.

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Can anyone point me in the direction of Corbyn's anti Semitic remarks?

I was speaking to a Jewish lady at work who said she's voting conservative because she could never vote for an anti-Semite like Corbyn.

I asked her what he had said and she just responded with "Every Jewish person hates him, he must have done something wrong"

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