HanoiVillan Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Yeah, I have to agree that there isn't a standout replacement. Incredible that they've been in office for seven years, largest party in three elections, yet seem to have such a shallow bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Somebody needs to tell her enough is enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted June 10, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Somebody needs to tell her enough is enough. I'd imagine she is being told by plenty of people, starting with the MP's who lost their seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 A few years back I got really into Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister again. It was golden TV. I watched it all the way through and laughed as the civil service kept the country on the straight and narrow and stopped the politicians... well doing anything. What happened to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Forgive me, but I can't stop thinking of how furious they are in Daily Mail HQ, Kensington, this morning. Ahahahahaha. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 As soon as she is put in the Cor-bin, whatever is left of the government can get on with these Brexit talks with not only the 52% in mind but also the 48% who have made their voice 'very clear'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, peterms said: There are quite a few people right now rehearsing mea culpas about their assessment of Corbyn. I wonder if any of this select group of thinkers will be among them? How embarrassing for the Labour Party. What fools corbyn showed them Edited June 10, 2017 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 5 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Yeah, I have to agree that there isn't a standout replacement. Incredible that they've been in office for seven years, largest party in three elections, yet seem to have such a shallow bench They should just troll everyone, and go for top europhile Ken Clarke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: How embarrassing for the Labour Party. What fools corbyn showed them By losing the election? To an absolutely awful Tory campaign. I feel like I missed something with all the celebration and we have a Labour government. Not a hard right May-Dup coalition. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 36 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Somebody needs to tell her enough is enough. I am sticking to my guns, I am convinced all is not well in her head. Her answers to seemingly simple questions cause her head to cave in mentally and her face can't lie even if her mouth can't help it. She is not self aware in that her answers are so, so shit and make so little sense in any other job her sanity would be questioned on an hourly basis. Question: Did you think about resigning ? Answer: I was busy thinking about my colleagues who lost their seats. My granddaughter does this and she is 4 years old. Question: Did you eat all the biscuits ? Answer: Shall we take the dog to the beech granddad ? She has no clue and should never be put in front of the camera. If she had turned up to the debate's from what I know now I think they would now be in a minority to Labour so now we know why she was not there. She might also have a touch of Munchhausen's by proxy, in that everyone near her looks proper ill, her fella as nice as he is, looks like he is permanently auditing for the job as "The Forger". He is just waiting for the big call and the right war film re-boot to come along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 My own worry with Corbyn is that I feel he may have a plateau in terms of support, and it's always been a worry that even modest working families are put off by 'socialism'. But what London has proved is that young people will not ignore inequality, or at least they know it exists. But I do wonder is that is because in the social media age, it is so hard to ignore. I dunno, British kids are bright, they deserve better and fair play to them they won't be ignored anymore. I'm not 'having a go' at my constituency but most people around here wonder what all the fuss is about. Things are alright for most (me included), not amazing, but alright. There's quite a few that are quite alright. Not the sort of place, even in a monumental landslide that is likely to change from Tory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted June 10, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2017 16 hours ago, darrenm said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but another 3 or 4 seats to Labour would be seeing a minority rainbow coalition now, right? This is the shame of what Corbyn and farron did, in declining to co operate with each other and the greens etc. There are a whole bunch of seats won by the tories, where if lib dems had stood down, labour would have won, or where if labour had stood down, lib dems would have won. Amber Rudd, Zak Goldsmith etc. would be out and lib dems and labour in. No Tory government.... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 10, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 10, 2017 10 hours ago, villaglint said: Uh o spagettio... So the tories have been caught red handed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Party Votes % of Votes Seats Conservatives 13,632,914 42.65% 277.22 277 Labour 12,874,985 40.28% 261.82 262 SNP 977,659 3.06% 19.89 20 Liberal Democrats 2,371,772 7.42% 48.23 48 DUP 292,316 0.91% 5.915 6 Sinn Fein 238,915 0.75% 4.875 5 Plaid Cymru 164,466 0.51% 3.315 3 Green 525,371 1.64% 10.66 11 Speaker (John Bercow) 34,299 0.11% 0.715 1 Ind (Sylvia Hermon) 16,148 0.05% 0.325 0 UKIP 593,852 1.86% 12.09 12 SDLP 95,419 0.30% 1.95 2 UUP 83,280 0.26% 1.69 2 APNI 64,553 0.20% 1.3 1 31,965,949 650 Under a pure PR system. What I find interesting is this conversation that Corbyn didn't do as well as people are claiming - they were 757929 short of the Conservatives. First Past the Post proves again to be absolute dogshit in terms of representing the views of the electorate. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rodders Posted June 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2017 It also gives the lie to the fact we're an inherently conservative country broadly right wing - tories + ukip = 14,226, 766 broadly left/ centre - labour + lib dem + green + snp + plaid = 16,914,253 (I dunno where you put the other parties, but even adding them up to the right and we're far more mixed as a nation ). Also shows why tory mps would never go for PR, they will lose out on the system that spectacularly favours them 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Ironically the progressive alliance plan was sunk by the SNP & their railroading of legislation for Indyref2 & letting in the Tories as the anti choice. Corbyn bought the youth vote with the tuition fees promise while May euthanised most of her core vote with the Dementia Tax, topped off with winter fuel and pinching school lunches. She called it the Brexit election then made it about traditional policies of haves vs have nots, playing straight in to Labour's line of the 'many not the Jew'. The funny part of all this is that Labour's manifesto of state aid and sweeping nationalisations is impossible within the EU single market, so the economic logic for Labour is to pursue 'hard' Brexit - which their younger supporters generally don't want. The whole shebang is an incoherent mess and another election is unavoidable imo. The EU will extend Art 50 while we sort ourselves out, for no other reason than no deal means no money. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 55 minutes ago, jon_c said: By losing the election? To an absolutely awful Tory campaign. I feel like I missed something with all the celebration and we have a Labour government. Not a hard right May-Dup coalition. While i don't think they should be celebrating a loss it's a massive gain and improvement on postion. I think most of those against Corbyn were so because of the position of Labour at the time. They wanted to be on correct side when he fell/failed/left and could be part of the "I told you so brigade". The problem I have had with Labour is that they havnt been very left. I don't even think they are now but being slightly left is now considered extreme left. Labour have just been Tory light. From a Labour point of view the current government is surely one that cannot succeed and the opposition at least for now are united in stopping them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Awol said: Labour's line of the 'many not the Jew'. You're taking the anti-semitic line a bit far. A typo? Edited June 10, 2017 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, jon_c said: By losing the election? To an absolutely awful Tory campaign. I feel like I missed something with all the celebration and we have a Labour government. Not a hard right May-Dup coalition. That rather ignores the performance against expectations and forecasts. We've had stuff about how the manifesto was a suicide note à la 1983, that this election was going to see the end of the Labour party with it splitting and that there was going to be a Tory landslide (which I fully expected just to be clear that I'm not ignoring what I thought up until the results showed how wrong I was). In all of that context, for the Labour party to have performed as they did is more than a decent result for them. Edited June 10, 2017 by snowychap 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Can anyone point me in the direction of Corbyn's anti Semitic remarks? I was speaking to a Jewish lady at work who said she's voting conservative because she could never vote for an anti-Semite like Corbyn. I asked her what he had said and she just responded with "Every Jewish person hates him, he must have done something wrong" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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