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Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted June 9, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2017 12 minutes ago, peterms said: A view from the liberal wing of the tory party. My favourite quote from that article: 'knocking on doors for the Tory party only reveals the depth of moral tarnish on the reputation of the Conservative party. (The number of people who raised foxhunting as a make-or-break issue was particularly striking. One woman asked: “It’s not a big thing, but why would you want it back so very much unless you’re quite bloodthirsty?”)' You can picture that woman so easily. Might be my own mother. A middle-aged woman who always votes Tory, but is basically decent and doesn't like gratuitous violence or meanness. I love the thought that bringing back fox-hunting might have helped cost them the majority. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Awol said: Been on the road since 05:45 so sorry for the dumb question but do we have a government yet? Rioting? The undead walking among us? Has May resigned? Yes; no; yes; no. The yesses may be debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 So May has said she is forming a government and has asked the queen for permission to do so. Yet the DUP have just said they are only in talks Hasn't may broken the accepted protocol here - I thought she needed an agreement before going to see the queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 9, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 hour ago, darrenm said: If Abbott does the exact same thing as a number of other MPs, yet Abbott is the constant source of the joke and others aren't, what's the reason? Could it be sexist, racist, a combination of the 2, or something else I've missed? I don't doubt that Abbott gets all kinds of abuse from various neanderthals and trolls and all that, but it's hard to think of any senior political figure who so frequently has, um, car-crashed election interviews. There was nothing behind the original VT post of any "-ist" nature. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just now, hippo said: So May has said she is forming a government and has asked the queen for permission to do so. Yet the DUP have just said they are only in talks Hasn't may broken the accepted protocol here - I thought she needed an agreement before going to see the queen. I know the Queen doesn't get involved in this kind of thing but shouldn't she refuse to allow May to form the government with a paramilitary party? Even not formally, she could just say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, Awol said: The undead walking among us, or has May resigned? I think it reads better like this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, blandy said: I don't doubt that Abbott gets all kinds of abuse from various neanderthals and trolls and all that, but it's hard to think of any senior political figure who so frequently has, um, car-crashed election interviews. There was nothing behind the original VT post of any "-ist" nature. OK point taken. I get really uneasy about this kind of thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, darrenm said: I know the Queen doesn't get involved in this kind of thing but shouldn't she refuse to allow May to form the government with a paramilitary party? Even not formally, she could just say no. My suggestion that she tells May to **** off basically right, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, darrenm said: I know the Queen doesn't get involved in this kind of thing but shouldn't she refuse to allow May to form the government with a paramilitary party? Even not formally, she could just say no. Nah, the house of commons keeps the queen safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, darrenm said: I know the Queen doesn't get involved in this kind of thing but shouldn't she refuse to allow May to form the government with a paramilitary party? Even not formally, she could just say no. What is a genuine alternative, tories have the most seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) TM: Hi, your madge, can I go ahead and form a government with the proddy loonies from N.I.? HMQ: Does one have a firm commitment from said proddy loonies? TM: Well, er, no, not as such, not yet, but, er, I hope to, er.... HMQ: Well one can **** off, then. Edited June 9, 2017 by mjmooney 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, mjmooney said: TM: Hi, your madge, can I go ahead and form a government with the proddy loonies from N.I.? HMQ: Does one have a firm commitment from said proddy loonies? TM: Well, er, no, not as such, not yet, but, er, I hope to, er.... HMQ: Well one can **** off, then. I know your half joking - but thats what TM seems to have done. Gone to the queen without an agreement. Unless she is forming a minority Tory government. But even then I thought Labour had to be given a stab at forming a coalition. (I know that can't work - but its the protocol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Dare I ask what the DUP position on fox hunting is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted June 9, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, hippo said: Dare I ask what the DUP position on fox hunting is ? Depends whether they're protestant foxes or catholic foxes. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 9, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 9, 2017 26 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: Would it be ungallant to point out that the female party leaders and front bench candidates have done particularly badly in the election? May lost 21 seats Sturgeon lost 20 seats Lucas's share of the vote went from 3.8% to 0.2% Abbott couldn't take the pace May - no argument she did badly. ....But there's more than one way of looking at things - Tory vote % went up, Lucas and Abbott both got much increased votes in their constituencies, the Greens by deliberately standing down candidates in a number of seats to help anti- tory candidates in other parties contributed to the result and perhaps laid a bit of a seed for more of "that sort of thing" in the future? Sturgeon was never going to hold on to the almost complete dominance of SNP in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 34 minutes ago, peterms said: A view from the liberal wing of the tory party. I didn't realise they had used the same campaign manager as Goldsmith. That is another utterly hilarious little aside in this story. As is Kensington. Today really is the gift that just keeps on giving and I've not even finished work yet....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 9, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 9, 2017 22 minutes ago, Awol said: Been on the road since 05:45 so sorry for the dumb question but do we have a government yet? Rioting? The undead walking among us? Has May resigned? They were certainly gathering outside 'spoons earlier on today...then again, they always do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Amidst the hysteria and the desperate drama-queening it is encouraging to see that there is at least one person left who is keeping calm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Correct me if I'm wrong, but another 3 or 4 seats to Labour would be seeing a minority rainbow coalition now, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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