OutByEaster? Posted February 22, 2022 Moderator Share Posted February 22, 2022 We can't sacrifice market stability just for the sake of some sort of real world war thing. Won't somebody think of the bankers! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: We can't sacrifice market stability just for the sake of some sort of real world war thing. Won't somebody think of the bankers! You only need to worry about Cypriot and Maltese bankers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, foreveryoung said: I never know why we ever get involved. We are a tiny little island that could be gone with a little nuke. Let the Americans deal with it, or even the Chinese. The UK is the 5th biggest economy in the world and growing. Russia is 11th and sinking. Its only natural powerful countries like the UK will discipline weaker countries like Russia when they misbehave. Its the natural order of things. Particularly when they cant hurt the UK. The USA's missile defence system also covers NATO and the UK specifically. Its at times like these we can all be thankful for our alliances and friends. No wonder Putin hates NATO so much. It has made him impotent. Edited February 23, 2022 by ciggiesnbeer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 9 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: We can't sacrifice market stability just for the sake of some sort of real world war thing. Won't somebody think of the bankers! The pain would be felt by all of us, not just bankers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterw Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 9 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: We can't sacrifice market stability just for the sake of some sort of real world war thing. Won't somebody think of the bankers! Well that's the arguement of those that are liberalists compared to realists; the greater economic interdependence that there is within the international state system, then the less likely they would be to get into meaningful conflict with each other as it will hurt everyone economically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted February 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2022 7 hours ago, ciggiesnbeer said: The UK is the 5th biggest economy in the world and growing. Russia is 11th and sinking. Its only natural powerful countries like the UK will discipline weaker countries like Russia when they misbehave. Its the natural order of things. Particularly when they cant hurt the UK. The USA's missile defence system also covers NATO and the UK specifically. Its at times like these we can all be thankful for our alliances and friends. No wonder Putin hates NATO so much. It has made him impotent. I’m taking a punt here, but are you by any chance a diminutive tory MP that has recently self published a book about Brexit? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 23, 2022 Moderator Share Posted February 23, 2022 56 minutes ago, LondonLax said: The pain would be felt by all of us, not the bankers. Fixed this for you, hope you don't mind. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 23, 2022 Moderator Share Posted February 23, 2022 44 minutes ago, peterw said: Well that's the arguement of those that are liberalists compared to realists; the greater economic interdependence that there is within the international state system, then the less likely they would be to get into meaningful conflict with each other as it will hurt everyone economically. One of the (many) difficulties with Liberal doctrine on that of course comes when the ability to profit from war becomes a better outcome for the market than sanctions which might cause it an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Looks like Abramovich will be defending his UCL title in St Petersburg, after all.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 30 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: One of the (many) difficulties with Liberal doctrine on that of course comes when the ability to profit from war becomes a better outcome for the market than sanctions which might cause it an issue. It's not just the stock markets. If we were to do something that would actually impact Russia, like sanctions against their oil and gas for example, it would likely send oil prices from the currently painful $100 a barrel up to an eyewatering $150 a barrel. The current household electric and gas prices would also massively shoot up. It would send inflation off the charts and cause huge pain for the average person in Europe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 11 hours ago, Chindie said: If Putin fancies taking Ukraine entirely, and just bring Belarus on board formally, we might consider possibly thinking about slapping a wrist. A stern letter. In triplicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterw Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 45 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: One of the (many) difficulties with Liberal doctrine on that of course comes when the ability to profit from war becomes a better outcome for the market than sanctions which might cause it an issue. That's quite the opposite of a liberalist doctrine. There is no scope for war other than when a state is looking to protect itself; and its developed to export not just economic interdependence but also democracy, as the idea is that democracies do not go to war with each other. Neorealism and neo liberalism are more normative in their outlook since the end of the Cold War (adding int he human aspect of state behaviour), but there is no economic 'profit' in your understanding in liberalist theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted February 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2022 From the people who brought you "footballers should stay in their lane and keep out of politics" now comes "we want footballers to take a greater political stand against war in Europe that the British Government is prepared to" 13 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, ml1dch said: From the people who brought you "footballers should stay in their lane and keep out of politics" now comes "we want footballers to take a greater political stand against war in Europe that the British Government is prepared to" Im sure that if one of the Manchester clubs make it to the final,they will no doubt jump at the chance to boycott it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Crisis over, no need to worry about the Russians. You can all sleep safe tonight the Swedish police got the situation sorted. Quote Swedish police start national operation after Ukraine crisis: "Reduce vulnerability" The order: Refuel all police cars The police in Sweden are acting after the tense situation between Ukraine and Russia . A national special event has begun, and police are urged to fully refuel their cars, according to information to Aftonbladet. - Our focus is to follow the development of events, says Nadia Jaber at the national media center. "Make the police more robust" The decision, made by the National Operations Department (NOA), means, among other things, that the police can call in extra resources or have them on standby, and use specialist functions. According to information to Aftonbladet, as part of the armament, there have been calls in regions to start fully refueling all police cars and other service vehicles with fuel. https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/0GJJnM/svensk-polis-startar-insats-efter-ukrainakrisen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, sne said: Crisis over, no need to worry about the Russians. You can all sleep safe tonight the Swedish police got the situation sorted. https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/0GJJnM/svensk-polis-startar-insats-efter-ukrainakrisen The Dutch Police are too laid back to bother with all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Excuse my ignorance but didn’t all of this happen with Crimea and then eventually the media got bored and found something else to talk about ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Putin needs a coup, soon. Can't be many happy folks under that nutter. Also, looking forward to Eurovision this year - that'll tell him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Excuse my ignorance but didn’t all of this happen with Crimea and then eventually the media got bored and found something else to talk about ? Yes. And the actions taken after that annexation were so simpering Putin had little reason to think anything would change when he did the same thing in Eastern Ukraine. Also worth remembering that the guys that were in Eastern Ukraine that definitely didn't have any connection to the Russian military were also the ones that shot that plane down. And it's also worth remembering that Russian influence has also been working it's way into Georgia... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 11 hours ago, chrisp65 said: I’m taking a punt here, but are you by any chance a diminutive tory MP that has recently self published a book about Brexit? lol. nah life long lefty who opposed and opposes Brexit with a passion. I am just a realpolitik guy. Its all about power. The UK is in a very strong position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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