Popular Post Awol Posted May 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2022 1 hour ago, peterw said: Well just like Thatcher in 82, a conflict is a great way to divert eyes away from the domestic arena. I’ve always said if the Argentine Junta had simply refused Thatcher’s order to invade the Falklands they’d still be around today. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 5, 2022 So Putin has apologised to Israel. I bet you would have needed a crowbar to unclench his teeth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 1 hour ago, sidcow said: So Putin has apologised to Israel. I bet you would have needed a crowbar to unclench his teeth. I hope they send the weapons to Ukraine regardless - the only reason Putin has done this is to try and avoid that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 1 hour ago, sidcow said: So Putin has apologised to Israel. I bet you would have needed a crowbar to unclench his teeth. Or apologised to stop Israel pumping all those weapons they have into Ukraine to kill Russians. Wise choice. On another note....phew,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterw Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 22 hours ago, Awol said: I’ve always said if the Argentine Junta had simply refused Thatcher’s order to invade the Falklands they’d still be around today. Even more humourously, Thatcher was willing to cede full sovereignty to Argentina if the islanders agreed. Argentina would also gain representation on local councils. She got lucky with the War - its winning saved her administration and prevented the public from knowing what she was willing to give away behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) @Panto_Villan I just thought I'd follow up on your claim that Western artillery won't be at an advantage when it comes to firing distances. Yes they will. Where did you get the impression that they won't? The below graphic shows raw firing distances, and that is before you add in Western tech to guide munitions, excaliber rounds, counter radar etc. Edited May 6, 2022 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astondalston Posted May 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 6, 2022 Quote Russian Navy warship Admiral Makarov reportedly sunk by Ukrainian missiles According to information released by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence, the Russian frigate ‘Admiral Makarov’, which was believed to be at the Sevastopol naval base, was hit and sunk by Ukrainian Neptune missiles – the same ones that sunk the Russian flagship missile cruiser Moskva in the Black Sea, off the coast of Ukraine, on April 14. Rumours circulating on social media suggest the missile-frigate Admiral Makarov, which is the third, last and most modern vessel in her class, is an important asset to Russian war efforts and if sunk would be a huge blow to Russian President Vladimir Putin. https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/05/06/russian-navy-warship-admiral-makarov-reportedly-sunk-by-ukrainian-missiles/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Genie Posted May 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, astondalston said: Russian Navy warship Admiral Makarov reportedly sunk by Ukrainian missiles https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/05/06/russian-navy-warship-admiral-makarov-reportedly-sunk-by-ukrainian-missiles/ 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 You’d think they would’ve stocked up on fire extinguishers by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 hour ago, peterw said: Even more humourously, Thatcher was willing to cede full sovereignty to Argentina if the islanders agreed. Argentina would also gain representation on local councils. She got lucky with the War - its winning saved her administration and prevented the public from knowing what she was willing to give away behind the scenes. If my aunt had balls etc… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 59 minutes ago, astondalston said: https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/05/06/russian-navy-warship-admiral-makarov-reportedly-sunk-by-ukrainian-missiles/ Inshallah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 I so hope that's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 In my constant attempt to keep the languages I speak maintained I like to watch and read different news outlets a couple of times a week. Yesterday I watched DW in German, and they had some Putin stooge from Stop the War Coalition on to debate about whether Crimea had always been Russian and hence it was NATO's fault that Putin illegally had to invade Ukraine. He argued that ever since one of Peter the Great's generals set their sights on the natural harbour of Sevastopol that it'd always be Russian. The other people in the debate took about two minutes to completely dismantle this guy (he reminded me of Galloway) by saying such things as 'We once owned Russia all the way up to Moscow, should we just occupy that area?', 'The Turks also owned much of the Balkans, Crimea, Ukraine etc, maybe they should also just illegally occupy them?' How can anyone be a part of a group that has such clear ties to Russia and still call themselves 'anti-war', it's bloody beyond me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 hour ago, magnkarl said: @Panto_Villan I just thought I'd follow up on your claim that Western artillery won't be at an advantage when it comes to firing distances. Yes they will. Where did you get the impression that they won't? The below graphic shows raw firing distances, and that is before you add in Western tech to guide munitions, excaliber rounds, counter radar etc. Apologies for not replying to your previous post, I've been very busy recently. So I was talking about the M777 specifically here as the CEASAR transfers hadn't been announced at the time. Turns out I was just looking at the specs for the M107 ammo, which was the older type of ammo for that gun. That only has a range of 15 miles, which is less than all the comparable Russian systems. However the new standard ammo for the M777 is the M795 which is rocket assisted and can fire 23 miles, which outranges the Russian howitzers. If we're making the assumption that the US is sending the good stuff rather than using up their older stocks, then yeah the NATO stuff is longer ranged than the comparable Russian howitzer systems. Nonetheless the image above is a bit misleading because they've included only the short-range Russian rocket artillery (TOS-1) while leaving off the longer-ranged rocket artillery like the Grad or the Uragan which does still outrange the M777 even with the best ammo. Not saying the howitzer is not the superior option militarily, just that graph is deliberately cherry-picking data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 6, 2022 Moderator Share Posted May 6, 2022 First picture of the Burning Russian Ship Taken from Romania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 minute ago, bickster said: First picture of the Burning Russian Ship Taken from Romania You sure? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 6, 2022 The Admiral Makarov situation is starting to be reported in major news outlets but in terms of unsubstantiated yet etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GarethRDR Posted May 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 6, 2022 Putin live feed: 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Russia cried foul last time their ship sunk due to an onboard accident and threatened to send missiles into Kyiv if another *onboard accident* happened again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) More and more places reporting this now. Do Russian ships not have ANY missile defence systems? I mean, the first time you could put it down to complacency and over confidence. But now surely all their ships are on high alert and in a state of readiness for missile strikes? This is their most modern warship. Questions questions. Edited May 6, 2022 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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