fruitvilla Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, sne said: You gotta love terms like this. The intent is clear, and laudable if true. Truth is the first casualty of war, so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, sne said: Israel uses it against Palestinians. USA used it in Afganistan, its horrible stuff, used in general just to inflict the most pain to troops, but mainly children and civilians There was pictures all over twitter, you don't wanna see them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, fruitvilla said: The intent is clear, and laudable if true. Truth is the first casualty of war, so to speak. Civilians are always expendable in war. Having some enemy soldier or general decide how many and which civilians that are unnecessary casualties is just a charade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, sne said: Civilians are always expendable in war. Having some enemy soldier or general decide how many and which civilians that are unnecessary casualties is just a charade. I take your point, but if you are looking for a "clean" war, then I suspect you are sh!t out of luck. Conflicts whether Israeli-Palestinian or Russia-Ukraine are in part a battle for the hearts and minds of the peoples involved, allies and potential allies. RT closed down in some parts of the West, western news sources shut down in Russia and Belarus. People like us propagate the various memes of war that have managed to make their way to our monitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, fruitvilla said: I take your point, but if you are looking for a "clean" war, then I suspect you are sh!t out of luck. Conflicts whether Israeli-Palestinian or Russia-Ukraine are in part a battle for the hearts and minds of the peoples involved, allies and potential allies. RT closed down in some parts of the West, western news sources shut down in Russia and Belarus. People like us propagate the various memes of war that have managed to make their way to our monitors. Yeah it's easier to get away with war crimes and atrocities if you are "on the side of good". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2022 Tolstoy wrote an excellent essay to accompany 'War and Peace', in which he pointed out the absurd hypocrisy of having 'rules' about what is and is not acceptable in war. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Tolstoy wrote an excellent essay to accompany 'War and Peace', in which he pointed out the absurd hypocrisy of having 'rules' about what is and is not acceptable in war. I thought it was about the notion of having a truce in war for sides to take care of their dead and wounded only to continue hostilities again afterwards that he found hypocritical , rather than "rules" ? or is there more to it than that ? ( i know very very little about the works of Tolstoy ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, sne said: Yeah it's easier to get away with war crimes and atrocities if you are "on the side of good" I would argue, only if you 'win'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, fruitvilla said: I would argue, only if you 'win'. Absolutely, big part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, mjmooney said: Tolstoy wrote an excellent essay to accompany 'War and Peace', in which he pointed out the absurd hypocrisy of having 'rules' about what is and is not acceptable in war. I dunno, white phosphorus is horrendous. It burns incessantly and is a particularly cruel weapon. You can wage war without looking to cause particularly nasty forms of harm. WP is one of those things you should not be using to hurt the enemy with really. It does have legitimate uses in warfare, but those are purely as a means of smoke cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chindie said: I dunno, white phosphorus is horrendous. It burns incessantly and is a particularly cruel weapon. You can wage war without looking to cause particularly nasty forms of harm. WP is one of those things you should not be using to hurt the enemy with really. It does have legitimate uses in warfare, but those are purely as a means of smoke cover. But compared to deliberately destroying a theatre full of children knowing they were there? Kids - would you rather die in a bad way or a slightly more bad way. I don't know what my point is, just that the red line is pretty arbitrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, ender4 said: But compared to deliberately destroying a theatre full of children knowing they were there? Kids - would you rather die in a bad way or a slightly more bad way. I don't know what my point is, just that the red line is pretty arbitrary. Why not just nuke them if we’re saying there is no point to rules of war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Why not just nuke them if we’re saying there is no point to rules of war? Worked in WW2 I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Apparently Russia want to host the 2028 or 2032 Euros and are preparing a formal bid/application. They're literally trolling the world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Think we should give it to Ukraine 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: I thought it was about the notion of having a truce in war for sides to take care of their dead and wounded only to continue hostilities again afterwards that he found hypocritical , rather than "rules" ? or is there more to it than that ? ( i know very very little about the works of Tolstoy ) True, that was the main part. But his point seemed to be that we shouldn't treat war like some sort of gentleman's game - if we faced up to the fact that wars are brutal and obscene from the get-go, we might be a bit less keen to start them. That's what I took away from it anyway. And I'd extend that to things like sanitised 'adventure' war films and military-themed toys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, colhint said: Think we should give it to Ukraine With Stadiums built from Oligarch money. How nice would that be. Every penny taken from these gangsters should be reinvested back into Ukraine when this is done. It wont happen but it should. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Maxar showing a buildup by Belarusian forces just across the border. Poland, Romania, Slovakia and the baltics receiving another 40.000 NATO troops. Is NATO trying to scare Lukashenko from entering the war with his troops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Chindie said: I dunno, white phosphorus is horrendous. It burns incessantly and is a particularly cruel weapon. You can wage war without looking to cause particularly nasty forms of harm. WP is one of those things you should not be using to hurt the enemy with really. It does have legitimate uses in warfare, but those are purely as a means of smoke cover. orrible stuff. USA using it in Iraq. It's actually legal to use on troops, military bases, but not in civilian areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 On ITV news just now they reported that some of the Russian POW taken today had equipment dated 1978. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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