Popular Post bobzy Posted March 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: they kinda did back in 2106 with the Steinmeier formula .. but that also resulted in quite a loss of popularity for Zelensky ... Ukranian public opinion may now change of course given the alternative , but it was circa 80% that didn't' want Ukraine to cede any territory back then ... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: they kinda did back in 2106 with the Steinmeier formula .. but that also resulted in quite a loss of popularity for Zelensky ... Ukranian public opinion may now change of course given the alternative , but it was circa 80% that didn't' want Ukraine to cede any territory back then ... Yes, this would be the whole of Luhansk and Donetsk regions (which the Russians didn’t hold previously), Crimea, the land corridor between and perhaps some strategic depth up to Kherson. I don’t see them surrendering that territory, or getting the Article 5 level security guarantees they’d require from the US to trust that this wasn’t a pause before Russia’s next bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) Gives some insight into the place of civilian slaughter within Russia’s wider operational concept, not just legitimate but priority targets. Edited March 23, 2022 by Awol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KentVillan Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 hours ago, peterw said: To be fair you can't go far wrong with dipping in to 'The Art of War' from Sun Tzu, even though its around 5000 years old. My favourite chapter is the one on unmanned aircraft 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lichfield Dean Posted March 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2022 I find this guy's writing very interesting, and it's good to see how others around the world view the situation in Ukraine Why Africa does not appear to be ‘standing with Ukraine’ ‘Stand with Ukraine’ is not just a humanitarian statement. It’s a political one, too. There have been many comments about Africans’ reactions to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the horrific violence it has unleashed on Ukrainians and the humanitarian catastrophe it has created. Many people, including on this continent, have been aghast at what they see as the moral failure not just of African governments, but also of individual Africans, to outrightly condemn Russia for its clear and unwarranted aggression, as well as its imperial and colonial designs on another people’s land, with which they should be all too familiar. https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/23/why-africa-does-not-appear-to-be-standing-with-ukraine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Why would they want to leave, and why won’t Russia let them? Is there a fear Ukraine might attack Crimea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 23, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Genie said: Why would they want to leave, and why won’t Russia let them? Is there a fear Ukraine might attack Crimea? Fear that Ukraine might regain what is rightfully Ukraine's Essentially Putin wants to use the people of Crimea as a human shield because he figures Ukraine will not attack with all the civilians there. It shows that his reason for attacking Crimea in the first place wasn't to protect Russians as he's quite happy to use them as a defence 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, bickster said: Fear that Ukraine might regain what is rightfully Ukraine's Essentially Putin wants to use the people of Crimea as a human shield because he figures Ukraine will not attack with all the civilians there. It shows that his reason for attacking Crimea in the first place wasn't to protect Russians as he's quite happy to use them as a defence This is absolutely the right time to reclaim their own land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 23 hours ago, PieFacE said: B Now if you ask me why the West directly supplying arms a to Ukraine and attempting to cripple their economy isn't seen as an act of war by Russia I really don't know the answer to that. I suspect it's due to Russia knowing they don't really have much hope in hell against NATO. But i'm just guessing. I'm unsure where all the lines are. As far as your above point is concerned,I can answer that, In WWII America supplied England with food,tanks etc etc and even sent USA ships to escort the convoys up to a certain point.Germany only declared war on the USA after Perl harbor.So,it seems like this the normal way of the world at war.Even now,although Russia is at war with Ukrain NATO countries are still buying oil etc from Russia.The war has been going on for quite a while now but Australia only cancelled a shipment of aliminum to Russia last week,we are also sending 70 tonnes of coal to help Ukrains power situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Awol Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Poland is expected to propose a peacekeeping force of 10,000 troops for Ukraine at the NATO summit tomorrow. Rather than peacekeeping (what peace?!) this would be a combat deployment to protect NW Ukraine from further invasion by fresh Belarusian units. Any deployment would also require air support, introducing a no-fly zone to western Ukraine. I can’t see the US supporting this, or Poland then going it alone, so if Warsaw requests it despite knowing that then they are doing so to make a point publicly. The optics will be very awkward for Biden, even if (when!) Paris and Berlin line up behind Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) This is supposed to be chechnya leader Radman Kadrov - an ally of Putin - But its obviously stevie G with a false beard !!!! (Genuine pic - see the link) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/22/chechnyas-losses-in-ukraine-may-be-leader-ramzan-kadyrovs-undoing Edited March 23, 2022 by hippo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted March 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, hippo said: This is supposed to be chechnya leader Radman Kadrov - an ally of Putin - But its obviously stevie G with a false beard !!!! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/22/chechnyas-losses-in-ukraine-may-be-leader-ramzan-kadyrovs-undoing Have you been on the Chechnya forums saying he isnt good enough for the job and only has eyes on the Russian top job 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 31 minutes ago, Zatman said: Have you been on the Chechnya forums saying he isnt good enough for the job and only has eyes on the Russian top job Lol - Brilliant. ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Israel uses it against Palestinians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, sne said: Israel uses it against Palestinians. from the BBC in 2013, apparently they replaced that type of shell. Quote Israel has insisted that its use of white phosphorus in the conflict was permitted under international law and that it sought to avoid unnecessary civilian deaths in Gaza. As a weapon, white phosphorus is used to mark enemy targets and to produce smoke for concealing troop movements. It can also be used as an incendiary device against enemy positions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I find it weird that there are laws around what is and what is not permitted when bombing the shit out of a country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, fruitvilla said: Israel has insisted that its use of white phosphorus in the conflict was permitted under international law and that it sought to avoid unnecessary civilian deaths in Gaza. As a weapon, white phosphorus is used to mark enemy targets and to produce smoke for concealing troop movements. It can also be used as an incendiary device against enemy positions. You gotta love terms like this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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