Awol Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 26 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: It would appear so. I remember over the years always reading random news articles of RAF scrambling jets to escort Russian planes from our air space and their ships sailing close to our shores. Is this normal practice or have they just been watching us and plotting this whole time? Normal, they’ve been doing it for decades. The only difference is that every year we have fewer aircraft, ships, and submarines to respond. Never in the post-war period has the UK been less militarily prepared for a conventional war with Russia, and no major European power is any better prepared for it than us. Our leaders for absolute sure are not trying to engineer a conflict. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Awol said: Normal, they’ve been doing it for decades. The only difference is that every year we have fewer aircraft, ships, and submarines to respond. Never in the post-war period has the UK been less militarily prepared for a conventional war with Russia, and no major European power is any better prepared for it than us. Our leaders for absolute sure are not trying to engineer a conflict. Good point. So we've got a few years to get ready !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, hippo said: So we've got a few years to get ready !!!!! Sadly not, war is very much a come as you are event that sometimes chooses you. That’s why it’s sensible to maintain strong armed forces in times of peace as a deterrent that maintains the peace. Then the people in charge forget why we have the peace and look for easy budget savings that don’t cost votes. Do that for long enough and peace goes away of its own accord. Edited March 3, 2022 by Awol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Awol said: Sadly not, war is very much a come as you event that sometimes chooses you. That’s why it’s sensible to maintain strong armed forces in times of peace as a deterrent that maintains the peace. Then the people in charge forget why we have the peace and look for easy budget savings that don’t cost votes. Do that for long enough and peace goes away of its own accord. to live in peace we must prepare for war ..................... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 minute ago, hippo said: to live in peace we must prepare for war ..................... Quite. But you will be called a warmonger for simply restating that piece of ancient human wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 If you're going to let words removed like Putin, Trump and the Brexit PM run countries this is what you collect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted March 3, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 3, 2022 15 minutes ago, Awol said: Normal, they’ve been doing it for decades. The only difference is that every year we have fewer aircraft, ships, and submarines to respond. Never in the post-war period has the UK been less militarily prepared for a conventional war with Russia, and no major European power is any better prepared for it than us. Our leaders for absolute sure are not trying to engineer a conflict. Also, we do it to them. Fair's fair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Estonian owned cargo ship sunk off Ukranian coast after an explosion ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 The hike in German spending is soon going to be a bigger sum than what the Russian central bank has left. Has a currency ever cracked this much outside of a major depression? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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magnkarl Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 First messages trickling in that Ukraine has attacked the convoy in several places and with drones, and inflicted massive damage to the Russians. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 41 minutes ago, Awol said: Normal, they’ve been doing it for decades. The only difference is that every year we have fewer aircraft, ships, and submarines to respond. Never in the post-war period has the UK been less militarily prepared for a conventional war with Russia, and no major European power is any better prepared for it than us. Our leaders for absolute sure are not trying to engineer a conflict. Things like this have definitely aged badly. Quote “We are cutting back on our tanks,” (Tobias) Ellwood told the PM at the Liaison Committee on 17 November 2021. “What is amassing on the Ukrainian border? It’s tanks. But that’s besides the point. I’m saying step back, look at the wider security picture, look at our defence posture, and see what needs to be done.” Johnson dismissed his concerns and responded: “We have to recognise that the old concepts of fighting big tank battles on European land mass are over" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 52 minutes ago, Awol said: Quite. But you will be called a warmonger for simply restating that piece of ancient human wisdom. Make somewhere nice to live, and give everyone an interest in defending that way of life. National service. It also means the rich don't just throw the poor under the bus. Finland and Switzerland have it right. America and Russia have it wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 24 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Things like this have definitely aged badly. We had this conversation in a round about way some pages back, but as @blandy put it the choice isn’t either/or between conventional forces and the developing cyber, EW, information warfare aspects. Johnson’s mockery of earnest Ellwood (who despite being a dangerous plum was making a serious point) highlights his wafer-thin grasp of what was unfolding. Reminds me of his approach to Covid, actually. The bloke is a cretin who’s been saved by this crisis, for now at least. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) Edited March 3, 2022 by BleedClaretAndBlue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 interesting take on the Russian stock market. Short vid with subtitles. Quite something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 3, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 3, 2022 In fairness thats hardly shocking from the Russians - the entire pretence of this war was about them going into Ukraine to save it from Nazis. A country run by a Jewish man, riddled with Nazis posing a threat to Russian citizens. It's so far from reality as to mean anything they say is useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 3, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Awol said: interesting take on the Russian stock market. Short vid with subtitles. Quite something! Well he's earned his bullet behind the ear in a windowless room later. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 45 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Things like this have definitely aged badly. It’s ok, our friends in Europe will back us up… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted March 3, 2022 Administrator Share Posted March 3, 2022 Just now, Chindie said: Well he's earned his bullet behind the ear in a windowless room later. Are you saying that Putin is going to kill Santa? That'll mean an escalation. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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