villa89 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 US partially lifting ban on Ukraine using US weapons in Russia. It's beyond ridiculous at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted May 31 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31 Russia will have to start defending itself over a much larger area with this move, maybe it will disrupt their supply lines into the battle area before they even get out of Russia. Be nice to see some Russian infrastructure hit as well, power generation etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 31 Moderator Share Posted May 31 And it seems with Biden's announcement yesterday that Ukraine has launched a counter offensive in the Kharkiv region and taken back a good chunk of the town of Vovchansk with Russians surrounded in a meat packing plant. They also seem to have restored some bridges to improve logistics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 hour ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Is this inside Russia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 31 Moderator Share Posted May 31 5 minutes ago, ender4 said: Is this inside Russia? Yes but I have a feeling they were Ukrainian made Neptune missiles on this occasion In other news, Germany just followed Biden in declaring their weapons can be used on Russian soil. That one is a bit of a shocker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 4 hours ago, bickster said: And it seems with Biden's announcement yesterday that Ukraine has launched a counter offensive in the Kharkiv region and taken back a good chunk of the town of Vovchansk with Russians surrounded in a meat packing plant. They also seem to have restored some bridges to improve logistics Ironic fate, isn't it, you're in a meat assault squad caught in a meat packing plant with no way out. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 (edited) 30 minutes ago, bickster said: Yes but I have a feeling they were Ukrainian made Neptune missiles on this occasion In other news, Germany just followed Biden in declaring their weapons can be used on Russian soil. That one is a bit of a shocker! Without the Taurus, that isn't really doing much though. What has Germany delivered which has that sort of range? Ukraine would need to drive their PzH2000 very close to the border for this to be a reality. Maybe German made smart excalibur 155 rounds can get to about 55kms, that isn't very far into Russia. It's Scholz Scholzing around, as the Germans say. Edited May 31 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 5 hours ago, magnkarl said: Without the Taurus, that isn't really doing much though. What has Germany delivered which has that sort of range? Ukraine would need to drive their PzH2000 very close to the border for this to be a reality. Maybe German made smart excalibur 155 rounds can get to about 55kms, that isn't very far into Russia. It's Scholz Scholzing around, as the Germans say. The German equivalent of the HIMARS (MARS-2) has a decent range, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 13 hours ago, tinker said: Russia will have to start defending itself over a much larger area with this move, maybe it will disrupt their supply lines into the battle area before they even get out of Russia. Be nice to see some Russian infrastructure hit as well, power generation etc. Unfortunately at the moment the restrictions have only been lifted in a very specific area near Kharkiv, and it doesn’t even include say hitting the airbases from which the Russians are firing glide bombs at Ukraine from. Hopefully it’s a precursor to a wider lifting of restrictions, but right now it’s very much a baby step. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 31 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31 How come Poots hasn't been on threatening to nuke the West? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 hour ago, Panto_Villan said: Unfortunately at the moment the restrictions have only been lifted in a very specific area near Kharkiv, and it doesn’t even include say hitting the airbases from which the Russians are firing glide bombs at Ukraine from. Hopefully it’s a precursor to a wider lifting of restrictions, but right now it’s very much a baby step. Like I said above it's ridiculous. Either NATO countries have some bizarre, unfounded fear of Russia or, it suits them to prolong the war, leave Ukraine hanging out to dry and gain a lot of much needed workers in EU countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Townsend Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 (edited) Why are you bringing the EU into it? It's more likely NATO have calculated (and I obviously disagree with them if this is the case as I am ultra pro Ukraine) that it is better to bog and grind Russia down in a war they cannot win/stalemate rather than swiftly drive them out where they may regroup and try elsewhere or try something differently. Edited May 31 by Captain_Townsend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 (edited) 3 hours ago, villa89 said: Like I said above it's ridiculous. Either NATO countries have some bizarre, unfounded fear of Russia or, it suits them to prolong the war, leave Ukraine hanging out to dry and gain a lot of much needed workers in EU countries. 1 hour ago, Captain_Townsend said: Why are you bringing the EU into it? It's more likely NATO have calculated (and I obviously disagree with them if this is the case as I am ultra pro Ukraine) that it is better to bog and grind Russia down in a war they cannot win/stalemate rather than swiftly drive them out where they may regroup and try elsewhere or try something differently. This is all coming from the US, not anyone else. They’re putting pressure on Ukraine not to use any foreign weapons against Russian territory, even if the donor country have said it’s fine. That’s because the US fears escalation, not because they have a master plan where they want to grind Russia down; a short war where Russia had been swiftly defeated would have suited the West much better. Ultimately it’s probably because the US will need to do most of the legwork if a full-blown war with Russia kicks off. That’ll cost lots of money and American lives even though they’d win - and it’ll give other opponents like China and Iran a chance to act in other regions while the US is busy fighting Russia. And that’s ignoring any chance of a nuclear exchange, which is small but will still factor into American thinking. I think they’re being over cautious but, to be fair, history is littered with examples of powerful countries rushing into wars they think will be easy to win and then getting bogged down. Edited May 31 by Panto_Villan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 It's quite something to see how effective the Bradley is in Ukraine. It's finally been deployed to do what it was designed to do, fight Russian armored vehicles on the open terrain of Eastern Europe. The US has many more where they came from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post magnkarl Posted June 4 Popular Post Share Posted June 4 Russian columns and anti-air crews are being absolutely taken apart before they get to Ukraine now. I don't know why it took so long, now Ukraine can actually stop Russians in their own country headed for Ukraine. Stoltenberg and everyone who made this possible now need to ensure everyone delivers on what they promised. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 So Russia is using Syria as a 'holiday' posting for Russian soldiers and officers who have 'done well' in Ukraine. The AFU figured this out and have sent several special ops teams to Syria to hunt down Russians, and the footage of their work is quite something. Nowhere to run, just like the nazis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 (edited) First combat mission that the f-16s arriving this month will likely do, anyone? I'd wager the Kerch bridge, by the end of June. Edited June 5 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Is been coming for a long time, do Russia have a plan for them? Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 (edited) 9 hours ago, Genie said: Is been coming for a long time, do Russia have a plan for them? Time will tell. Do Russia have anything they can use to stop them & shoot them down? Edited June 5 by villa89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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