bickster Posted September 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Ukraine produces enormous quantities of grain and it used to be shipped around the world from the Black Sea ports. Now that shipping lane has been cut a huge amount of grain is going cheap and has to go west by land to be sold. Essentially Ukrainian farmers are dumping their stock in Poland and other Central European countries, massively undercutting the local industry there. Poland have tried to get them to stop and it seems like this is one way of applying pressure. Polish PM has already backtracked, claiming he was misunderstood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sidcow Posted September 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 hour ago, bickster said: Polish PM has already backtracked, claiming he was misunderstood Probably told he won't be buying any of those nice shiny top of the range weapons he was talking about buying unless he keeps supplying Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 minute ago, sidcow said: Probably told he won't be buying any of those nice shiny top of the range weapons he was talking about buying unless he keeps supplying Ukraine. Well something similar anyway I imagine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 19 hours ago, pas5898 said: The only reason he is still alive is because they are worried about what could come after him. NATO countries aren't going to assassinate Putin. If he's going to get shot it would be from inside Russia and there's nobody there with the power to pull it off. Putin has systematically changed the power structures to ensure he's unchallenged. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 22, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 22, 2023 Black Sea FLeet HQ in Sevastopol hit by missile 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) Hit it in daytime as well. Presumably when it would have been occupied. Edited September 22, 2023 by LondonLax 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 3 hours ago, villa89 said: NATO countries aren't going to assassinate Putin. If he's going to get shot it would be from inside Russia and there's nobody there with the power to pull it off. Putin has systematically changed the power structures to ensure he's unchallenged. Putin has the country so much under his control that I would not expect anything usefull at all to come out of Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 22, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 22, 2023 Another view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Genie Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 WTF are tourists and families STILL doing in Crimea? Absolute idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted September 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 22, 2023 43 minutes ago, Genie said: WTF are tourists and families STILL doing in Crimea? Absolute idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 24 minutes ago, choffer said: What do this mean? They are stranded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 22, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 22, 2023 The US are going to be sending Ukraine ATACMS long range missiles, announced by Biden after Zelensky's visit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 I wonder if reclaiming Crimea might start the dominoes falling for Putin back in Russia? It’ll be a big hit to his ego. I can see why Ukraine are targeting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted September 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Genie said: I wonder if reclaiming Crimea might start the dominoes falling for Putin back in Russia? It’ll be a big hit to his ego. I can see why Ukraine are targeting it. It won't be just a hit to his ego. Cut off Crimea and Zaporizhizia (interesting news coming out of there too) and the Russian military machine in Ukraine will begin to halt. Edited September 22, 2023 by trekka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted September 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 22, 2023 43 minutes ago, Genie said: What do this mean? They are stranded? Wasn’t a particularly serious response tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 That’s a Stormshadow alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 “Fortress” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) This war has been a strategic disaster for the Russian Navy. Their 3 main navy bases in Europe are - St Petersburg. Now only accessible by navigating a narrow approach that now has a NATO country on both sides. Anything getting through that channel faces the Baltic Sea surrounded by NATO on all sides before trying to escape into the North Sea via the narrow passages through the Danish islands. Sevastopol. Boom. Murmansk. The home of the northern fleet this base is supplied by 1 railway and 1 road that are just over the Finnish border. The rail line and road pass through hundred of miles of thick forests, lakes and mountains. Its perfect terrain for the Finns. Supply by sea is severely limited in the winter due to ice. After the Ukraine war the entire border will need to be fortified by Russia. Edited September 22, 2023 by Mandy Lifeboats Spelling mishsteaks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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