Mandy Lifeboats Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 A Ukrainian suicide drone falls into a Russian trench but fails to explode. So he shoots it. What happens next? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 20, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 20, 2023 There seem to be an increasing number of reports about Russian military aircraft crashing, not in combat, just crashing. An Su-34 crashed yesterday, there were a couple last week too I think. Getting in Russian military aircraft might just be getting more dangerous due to poor maintenance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 hour ago, bickster said: There seem to be an increasing number of reports about Russian military aircraft crashing, not in combat, just crashing. An Su-34 crashed yesterday, there were a couple last week too I think. Getting in Russian military aircraft might just be getting more dangerous due to poor maintenance It could be people falling out of higher windows ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted September 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2023 I think the stats for WWII aircraft loses were pretty horrific. More lost due to accidents (training, mechanical failure, extreme weather) than enemy action. You'd think people would've learned and would devote more resource to reducing non combat losses, but it seems the Russian military simply haven't. Their greatest weakness is their inability to adapt / sluggish speed of adaption. Combine this with sanctions, attacks on logistics, and corruption, and it's not a great surprise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 20, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 20, 2023 30 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: It could be people falling out of higher windows ?! No these are training / routine flights with mechanical failures, yesterdays was the landing gear not lowering, pilots ejected safely (according to Russian press) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 14 minutes ago, bickster said: No these are training / routine flights with mechanical failures, yesterdays was the landing gear not lowering, pilots ejected safely (according to Russian press) Quite possibly sabotage as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 I also saw a video yesterday that had footage of an oil refinery militant take over in Russia. Whether this was 100% or not who knows but apparently there are private military groups popping up all over Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 2 hours ago, bickster said: There seem to be an increasing number of reports about Russian military aircraft crashing, not in combat, just crashing. An Su-34 crashed yesterday, there were a couple last week too I think. Getting in Russian military aircraft might just be getting more dangerous due to poor maintenance I think this is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 20, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: I think this is it. Yep that was yesterday's. Seems to be happening with much greater frequency now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyeddie Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 5 hours ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: A Ukrainian suicide drone falls into a Russian trench but fails to explode. So he shoots it. What happens next? Darwin Award winner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyeddie Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Anthony said: I think the stats for WWII aircraft loses were pretty horrific. More lost due to accidents (training, mechanical failure, extreme weather) than enemy action. You'd think people would've learned and would devote more resource to reducing non combat losses, but it seems the Russian military simply haven't. Their greatest weakness is their inability to adapt / sluggish speed of adaption. Combine this with sanctions, attacks on logistics, and corruption, and it's not a great surprise. WWII was horrendous, I read more pilots died from testing the Spitfire than flying Spitfires in combat with the Germans. The average age of an RAF pilot was 20 years old with a life expectancy of 4 weeks during the Battle of Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 This looks like big news Quote One of Ukraine's staunchest allies, Poland, has announced it will no longer supply weapons to the country as a diplomatic dispute over grain escalates. The nation's prime minister said it would instead focus on arming itself with more modern weapons. The move comes as tensions between the two nations rise. On Tuesday, Poland summoned Ukraine's ambassador over comments made by President Volodymyr Zelensky at the UN. He said some nations had feigned solidarity with Ukraine, which Warsaw denounced as "unjustified concerning Poland, which has supported Ukraine since the first days of the war". Poland's Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki announced the decision to no longer supply Ukraine with weapons in a televised address on Wednesday after a day of rapidly escalating tensions between the two countries over grain imports. "We are no longer transferring weapons to Ukraine, because we are now arming Poland with more modern weapons," Mr Morawiecki said. What weapons are being supplied to Ukraine? The grain dispute began after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine all but closed the main Black Sea shipping lanes and forced Ukraine to find alternative overland routes. That in turn led to large quantities of grain ending up in central Europe. Consequently, the European Union temporarily banned imports of grain into five countries, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Slovakia, to protect local farmers, who feared Ukrainian grain was driving down the prices locally. The ban ended on 15 September and the EU chose not to renew it, but Hungary, Slovakia and Poland decided to keep on implementing it. bbc It seems like their beef is mainly with the EU not Ukraine. Is it just an excuse to reduce expenditure on the war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Crimea was hit with a hell of a lot of drones and missiles last night. Ukraine is reporting that they've taken out aircraft, oil depots, repair equipment for the BSF, and hit targets as far as Sotsji. Russia is evacuating all their subs. The war is coming to Russians, no matter where they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 I think Zelenskyy needs to calm his rhetoric a bit to his allies. He seems to be pissing people off more than he is garnering support at the mo. Whether rightly or wrongly he needs to be conscious that other nations will become fatigued by this war. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VillaJ100 Posted September 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Spoony said: I think Zelenskyy needs to calm his rhetoric a bit to his allies. He seems to be pissing people off more than he is garnering support at the mo. Whether rightly or wrongly he needs to be conscious that other nations will become fatigued by this war. You can understand the panic though. Without materiel the Russians will just eventually zerg their way to winning in Ukraine regardless of the cost which you can do when you have no regard for your country's citizens. Some republicans are piping up and there's even a BBC article now saying 'we've spent $170 billion on ukraine' or whatever, failing to mention that's not cash money, but rather things like munitions that have been stockpiled and never used and would actually cost more to decommission, whereas now they are doing what they were made for, namely blowing up Russian army soldiers and equipment. Something like 40% of the fighting capacity of Russia's armed forces has been removed using 3% of the USA's stockpile, without a boot on the ground. For old school Cold War Republicans that's got to be amazing. For the newer, zero empathy, christo-zealot fascist, corrupt and hypocritical sect bought off with Russian money they are showing their true colours. At the end of the day Russia only understands that Might is Right and by being kerb stomped hopefully it will lead to regime change or take generations for them to be in a position to invade anyone else. Edited September 21, 2023 by VillaJ100 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 IMHO,Putin should have been assinated long ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 hour ago, PussEKatt said: IMHO,Putin should have been assinated long ago. The only reason he is still alive is because they are worried about what could come after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 5 hours ago, VillaJ100 said: You can understand the panic though. Without materiel the Russians will just eventually zerg their way to winning in Ukraine regardless of the cost which you can do when you have no regard for your country's citizens. Some republicans are piping up and there's even a BBC article now saying 'we've spent $170 billion on ukraine' or whatever, failing to mention that's not cash money, but rather things like munitions that have been stockpiled and never used and would actually cost more to decommission, whereas now they are doing what they were made for, namely blowing up Russian army soldiers and equipment. Something like 40% of the fighting capacity of Russia's armed forces has been removed using 3% of the USA's stockpile, without a boot on the ground. For old school Cold War Republicans that's got to be amazing. For the newer, zero empathy, christo-zealot fascist, corrupt and hypocritical sect bought off with Russian money they are showing their true colours. At the end of the day Russia only understands that Might is Right and by being kerb stomped hopefully it will lead to regime change or take generations for them to be in a position to invade anyone else. I’m not disagreeing with any of this. Equally he does have to be careful though. Don’t bite the hand that feeds and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 6 hours ago, Genie said: This looks like big news bbc It seems like their beef is mainly with the EU not Ukraine. Is it just an excuse to reduce expenditure on the war? Ukraine produces enormous quantities of grain and it used to be shipped around the world from the Black Sea ports. Now that shipping lane has been cut a huge amount of grain is going cheap and has to go west by land to be sold. Essentially Ukrainian farmers are dumping their stock in Poland and other Central European countries, massively undercutting the local industry there. Poland have tried to get them to stop and it seems like this is one way of applying pressure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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