bickster Posted June 29, 2023 Moderator Share Posted June 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, Genie said: They were supposedly being absorbed into the regular Russian army weren’t they? In the story it says that the recruiter told their caller the “positions” were for placement in Ukraine. The Russia Army can’t run the diamond mines in Africa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, bickster said: The Russia Army can’t run the diamond mines in Africa They are recruiting for Ukraine, it says in the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 29, 2023 Moderator Share Posted June 29, 2023 10 minutes ago, Genie said: They are recruiting for Ukraine, it says in the story. Gets more bizarre by the day 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 10min report from TVP with several clips from around the battlefield including Bakhmut and Zaphorizhia. Some of it is graphic. Edited June 29, 2023 by avfc1982am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 When Wagner started recruiting criminals and offered them freedom I knew it would happen. A Wagner ex-convict returned from war and a Russian village lived in fear. Then he killed again Quote TALLINN, Estonia (AP) — When Ivan Rossomakhin returned home from the war in Ukraine three months ago, his neighbors in the village east of Moscow were terrified. Three years ago, he was convicted of murder and sentenced to a long prison term but was freed after volunteering to fight with the Wagner private military contractor. Back in Novy Burets, Rossomakhin drunkenly wandered the streets of the hamlet 800 kilometers (about 500 miles) east of Moscow, carrying a pitchfork and threatening to kill everyone, residents said. Despite police promises to keep an eye on the 28-year-old former inmate, he was arrested in a nearby town on charges of stabbing to death an elderly woman from whom he once rented a room. He reportedly confessed to committing the crime, less than 10 days after his return. Rossomakhin’s case is not isolated. The Associated Press found at least seven other instances in recent months in which Wagner-recruited convicts were identified as being involved in violent crimes, either by Russian media reports or in interviews with relatives of victims in locations from Kaliningrad in the west to Siberia in the east. Nothing will get your PR up like letting murderers murder again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 7 hours ago, magnkarl said: When Wagner started recruiting criminals and offered them freedom I knew it would happen. A Wagner ex-convict returned from war and a Russian village lived in fear. Then he killed again Nothing will get your PR up like letting murderers murder again. Maybe they thought letting him murder Ukrainians would get the murder lust out of him for a while. Unlucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, villa89 said: Maybe they thought letting him murder Ukrainians would get the murder lust out of him for a while. Unlucky. He’ll probably only be in jail for a couple of weeks before he is offered the same deal as last time. He could be on murder number 3 by Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 If you are a soldier is he really a guy you would want in the trenches with you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 30, 2023 Moderator Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Genie said: He’ll probably only be in jail for a couple of weeks before he is offered the same deal as last time. He could be on murder number 3 by Christmas. I think they stopped the recruitment from jails, not sure if it actually happened though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 As per usual Ukraine’s trolling is next level. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 2, 2023 Moderator Share Posted July 2, 2023 Came to post that myself, top drawer trolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) There's noise about Ukraine wanting to have some results to show at the NATO summit coming up in Vilnius. They might go for a bigger jab than they have done so far. Expect pictures of ruined Western vehicles and gloating vatniks. Edited July 3, 2023 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted July 3, 2023 Moderator Share Posted July 3, 2023 29 minutes ago, magnkarl said: Given that Russia is essentially a dictatorship, why didn't they just take the companies over or just gift them to a different oligarch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, bickster said: Given that Russia is essentially a dictatorship, why didn't they just take the companies over or just gift them to a different oligarch? I'm not sure there is much truth in it. As you said Bicks, it would be far easier to just hand over these to others or allow them to become state controlled. Just dismantling businesses doesn't seem logical 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, bickster said: Given that Russia is essentially a dictatorship, why didn't they just take the companies over or just gift them to a different oligarch? I presume some of the companies are owned abroad. Putin is likely trying to take over all of Wagner and if Wagner doesn't want to abide he'll tear it down for show. It's good for Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 3, 2023 Moderator Share Posted July 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, magnkarl said: I presume some of the companies are owned abroad. Putin is likely trying to take over all of Wagner and if Wagner doesn't want to abide he'll tear it down for show. It's good for Africa. Not sure how, it'll just be a case of more of the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysAVFC Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, bickster said: Not sure how, it'll just be a case of more of the same Not that aware of what Wagner do and control in Africa apart from bits I've read here, but I can imagine any efforts to affect operations in Africa could destabilise some countries as there will be factions that will see an opportunity for power and money. Its almost better short term at least that it is business as usual, whoever is running the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted July 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 3, 2023 2 hours ago, bickster said: Given that Russia is essentially a dictatorship, why didn't they just take the companies over or just gift them to a different oligarch? Putin has to keep up the pretence of democracy, so has to be seen to be following due process, which may mean for example an enabling act allowing him to, well, do whatever he wants. "This is a lawful country. We don't do anything unlawful, honest guv." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, magnkarl said: I presume some of the companies are owned abroad. Putin is likely trying to take over all of Wagner and if Wagner doesn't want to abide he'll tear it down for show. It's good for Africa. I'm not sure. There was talk last week that Putin was trying to purge the senior command at Wagner in Africa however, you would just replace one scumbag with another and probably create more carnage if troops are disillusioned with this. I fail to see any benefit for any of the Countries occupied by Wagner. They're literally taking everything, even wood is being exported. I don't see Putin tearing anything down either. Show is for the media, not reality in which things will continue along the same path if there is money to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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