Genie Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 34 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: He should just get his men pull out let putin get even more humiliated It'll be him that takes the L on Bakmut. Putin can just blame him for not being able to take it as it was all Wagner troops there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted May 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 5, 2023 On 29/04/2023 at 10:52, trekka said: Have you been in the Nakamba thread lately? You need to get on the Frinkiac for your gifs! Anyway, Wagner pulling out of Bakhmut... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 2 hours ago, avfc1982am said:Reported yesterday that Gazprom have also started to recruit in large numbers which I think indicates how nervous things are internally. I often like to think about what a British Gas private army would look like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 I cant see whats in it for Wagner ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 5, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 5, 2023 Just now, PussEKatt said: I cant see whats in it for Wagner ? What is in what for Wagner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Why is he paying high wages and losing men ? If Putin wins the war,what will Wagner get out of it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Jareth said: I often like to think about what a British Gas private army would look like Well.... probably a little like this 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 5, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 5, 2023 Just now, PussEKatt said: Why is he paying high wages and losing men ? If Putin wins the war,what will Wagner get out of it ? Before the war, Wagner was Putin's private army, they'd go into countries as mercs and carry out Putin's will (see Sudan right now as a prime example). This gives Putin plausible deniability. In return Wagner get to rape the country involved for resources (see the diamond mines they run in Africa as an example of this) Wagner isn't short of money, it's short of ammo and particularly artillery shells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: Why is he paying high wages and losing men ? If Putin wins the war,what will Wagner get out of it ? Plunder. If you think Wagner are just doing the fighting without robbing everything they can get hold of you're mistaken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 And when Putin loses this war,will Wagner take the blame ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: And when Putin loses this war,will Wagner take the blame ? They'll all be blamed. Anything to deflect. The reality is Wagner are the only Russian forces to really progress in the last 6 months, even if the progress has been poor. I don't think from Prighozins last rant he actually cares what the Russian generals or the Kremlin think. It's obvious there is no love lost whatsoever. Hopefully the internal arguments and finger pointing continues to the point of no return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 5, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 5, 2023 19 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: And when Putin loses this war,will Wagner take the blame ? It's an interesting question, the Russian military are bound to blame them for Bakhmut but whether Putin blames them is another question altogether before the full scale invasion of Ukraine, Prigozhin and Putin were close and its hard to fathom their current relationship Wagner can't possibly be blamed for the direction of the entire war (with any seriousness) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Being reported more widely now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 5, 2023 Just now, avfc1982am said: Being reported more widely now He looks such a nice bloke. If you were a Hollywood casting director looking for an evil general, he'd probably get the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 5, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 5, 2023 1 minute ago, avfc1982am said: Being reported more widely now Its a high stakes game he's playing, threatening to collapse the front (because that will happen) to get more artillery shells An interesting game of brinksmanship to see who caves in Wagner or the Military supply chain they are reliant on There have been an increasing number of reports of Wagner / RUs Mil actually engaging with each other. There's no proof but those stories seem to come out all the time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: He looks such a nice bloke. If you were a Hollywood casting director looking for an evil general, he'd probably get the job. He's a c***. But probably the only honest one around Putin. He may well be the only one willing to stand next to Putin when things eventually go tits up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, bickster said: Its a high stakes game he's playing, threatening to collapse the front (because that will happen) to get more artillery shells An interesting game of brinksmanship to see who caves in Wagner or the Military supply chain they are reliant on There have been an increasing number of reports of Wagner / RUs Mil actually engaging with each other. There's no proof but those stories seem to come out all the time now. I agree. He's making it public on purpose and calling the general staff's bluff. Calling them fat lazy pigs might have been a tad too far though and hopefully Russian stubbornness prevents them from giving him anything. You know..... I have a funny feeling Ukraine's counter offensive will begin on 9th May and Russian victory day. Don't know why but with Wagner on borrowed time, any ammo resupply is going to take at least a week or two if not much longer. Russians are cancelling parades all over the Country. It does feel like something is afoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted May 5, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: He looks such a nice bloke. If you were a Hollywood casting director looking for an evil general, he'd probably get the job. He's a professional thief turned hot dog salesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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