It's Your Round Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 26 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Putin would not plot another invasion. He's seen how badly it goes. He needs to pretend he's achieved his aims otherwise he will continue to escalate until nuclear weapons are used. He absolutely would, as others have said. However this ends, it needs to end with Putin tried at The Hague… or dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, It's Your Round said: He absolutely would, as others have said. However this ends, it needs to end with Putin tried at The Hague… or dead. That's never happening and is an unrealistic aim. He would use nuclear weapons before anything like that came to pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 China calling for a ceasefire and dialogue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, CVByrne said: That's never happening and is an unrealistic aim. He would use nuclear weapons before anything like that came to pass Do you think there’s a chance that he’ll be taken out from inside his own government? There will be plenty that don’t want nuclear escalation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, It's Your Round said: Do you think there’s a chance that he’ll be taken out from inside his own government? There will be plenty that don’t want nuclear escalation. I don't see that happening. He's concentrated too much power in himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 To the people that thought Putin wouldn't mobilise in his home turf, here's people's call up papers in St Petersburg: Protests incoming tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Just now, CVByrne said: I don't see that happening. He's concentrated too much power in himself If that were the case he'd mobilise fully. He was stopped last night by others in the Kremlin from doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Ukraine needs to stand fast and push on with operations and not concern themselves with Putin's nonsense. Expecting to annex the Zaporizhzhia region without holding the main city is utter moronic and the workings of the desperate. He can mobilise who he want's but if he cannot supply or maintain what he has already then there is only one way this is eventually going. More soldiers for Russia means more ill discipline, more buffoonery and more dead Russians. I'd be pleased if I was Ukraine because this is the first public confession from Putin himself that things are not going to plan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, magnkarl said: To the people that thought Putin wouldn't mobilise in his home turf, here's people's call up papers in St Petersburg: Protests incoming tonight. Heard you can't get a flight out of Russia now. Fully booked! The people are realising. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mandy Lifeboats Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 Let's pick sides for WW3. Ukraine - I'll have USA. Russia - My mate Belarus. Ukraine - UK Russia - Armenia Ukraine - Poland Russia - China China - I'm not playing, Russia - North Korea. Just as good. Ukraine - The rest of NATO plus the EU Russian - India India - Sorry. I have to go home for tea Russia - Cuba. Ukraine - South Korea, Japan, Australia and New Zealand Russian - Iran Russia - These sides don't look fair to me. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: The people are realising. I assume its the conscription age men that have realised .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Let me win this war or ill nuke you. Im not bluffing. desperate despot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 58 minutes ago, CVByrne said: The mobilisation is to put pressure on West to urge Ukraine back to negotiations. Something like international peace keepers in Donbas and Russia keeping Crimea seems like an acceptable way to end the war Acceptable for who? You? It amazes me you can be so sure he / they wouldn’t invade further again in the future given the events of the past 6 months. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 21, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I assume its the conscription age men that have realised .... That's 18 to 65 according to the new Penal Code yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Acceptable for who? You? It amazes me you can be so sure he / they wouldn’t invade further again in the future given the events of the past 6 months. You can only assume that if the person you are talking about actually has a brain and lives in the real world. "Brains are awsome,I wish everybody had one" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted September 21, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2022 An article from the ISW written right back at the start of the war on what mobilisation means and this bit about reservists is particularly relevant Quote The Russian reserve has over two million former conscripts and contract servicemen on paper, but few are actively trained or prepared for war.[11] Historically, only 10 percent of reservists receive refresher training after completing their initial term of service.[12] Russia lacks the administrative and financial capacity to train reservists on an ongoing basis. According to a 2019 RAND analysis, Russia only had 4,000 to 5,000 troops in what would be considered an active reserve in the Western sense, meaning soldiers attending regular monthly and annual training.[13] Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu has repeatedly stated that the Russian Armed Forces hoped to have 80,000-100,000 active reserve members.[14] and the articles conclusion Quote Conclusion Russia is likely rapidly exhausting the manpower it can readily use to generate additional effective combat power even as its forces lose combat effectiveness in Ukraine amid high losses. Russian efforts to mobilize more manpower can bring more people into Russian combat units, but those people are unlikely to be well-enough trained or motivated to generate large amounts of new combat power. Mobilization efforts are likely to start producing diminishing returns as Russia moves through the categories of fully-trained and recently-released reservists into categories of people further removed from their initial military experiences and/or those who will undergo hasty training before deployment to the front lines. Individual replacements for battlefield losses are unlikely to have the same training as their predecessors, and new units or those reinforced by these augmentees will not have undergone unit-level training prior to employment. More units and reservist replacements will likely appear in Ukraine, therefore, but the net effect on Russia’s actual combat capability will likely be small and diminishing. A declaration of martial law and general mobilization would not overcome the structural challenges of Russia’s hybrid cadre-and-reserves and contract-soldier system. Creating cohesive fighting units cannot be accomplished overnight. Replacing individual combat casualties in Ukraine with recalled reservists who have gone years without military training is unlikely to dramatically increase Russian combat power. Nothing in terms of numbers available will have changed between now and then, or if they have, the numbers will be downwards due to some of the reservists already signing new contracts to join the war 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 As soon as he drops a nuke, Moscow is destroyed in kind surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted September 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: As soon as he drops a nuke, Moscow is destroyed in kind surely? And the rest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Just now, Wainy316 said: As soon as he drops a nuke, Moscow is destroyed in kind surely? I can't work out what sort of nuke and where it could be dropped. Surely the only nuclear option that may win him his war whilst not having Russia destroyed is to tactical nuke Kyiv. If that happens is anyone with nukes going to retaliate? I wouldn't be sure they would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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