coda Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 2 hours ago, bickster said: Who would be able to do that? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, coda said: I don’t know how much he’d cost, but it would have been worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted August 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Genie said: I don’t know how much he’d cost, but it would have been worth it. Doumer, you idiot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 The car bomb was amusing. A terrorist got terrorised and now his family are in bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Was that car bomb an inside (Russian) job, or Ukraine? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, Genie said: Was that car bomb an inside (Russian) job, or Ukraine? Almost definitely internal anti-Putin activists. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 22, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Genie said: Was that car bomb an inside (Russian) job, or Ukraine? The car was leaving a very secure car park 1 hour ago, Enda said: Almost definitely internal anti-Putin activists. Given the location, you'd have to think someone reasonably well connected in the FSB or similar. It's not just some random Anti-Putinists, definitely well connected to the machine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 22, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 22, 2022 Responsibility for the car bomb has been claimed by a group calling themselves the National Republican Army. They have now published their "manifesto". It is reported here (Ukrainian Pravda) Quote "We, Russian activists, military and politicians, now partisans and fighters of the National Republican Army, outlaw warmongers, robbers and oppressors of the peoples of Russia! We declare President Putin a usurper of power and a war criminal who amended the Constitution, unleashed a fratricidal war between the Slavic peoples and sent Russian soldiers to certain and senseless death. ... Putin will be deposed and destroyed by us! ... We declare officials of the government of the Russian Federation and regional administrations to be accomplices of the usurper - those who do not resign their powers will be destroyed by us. We declare businessmen who earn their money on corruption and connections with officials - traitors to the Motherland and accomplices of the usurper. The property of those who do not repent and do not speak publicly against this government and its war, and they themselves will be destroyed by us. We declare employees of power structures as accomplices of the usurper. Those who do not lay down their arms and take off their shoulder straps will be destroyed by us. We declare military cargoes and the cargoes of those who earn money in the war and help it financially as legitimate targets that we will destroy." “We call on the soldiers of the Russian army to stop shooting at our brothers from other countries It's originally reported by Ilya Ponomarev, who is a former Russian MP (and Putin Critic) who now has Ukrainian citizenship 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 (edited) Chechen groups are also arming themselves for a third Chechen war, much with the help of their volunteering in Ukraine. It could have been related to Chechnya too. Estimates suggest that as many as 6 battalions of Cechens loyal to the first Dudayev government have been in and out of the Ukrainian army. When you consider how many losses Kadyrov's idiots have had, that must be getting to a point where this group would likely be able to cause massive damage in Grozny. Spookily Dudayev said this about Ukrainians before he was assassinated by FSB operatives: What's terribly ironic is that Russia thinks it's so much more stately and developed than Ukraine when you consider that Kyiv was one of the major cities in Europe about 200 years before Moscow was even founded. Russia was wilderness with the odd trading post when Kyiv and the norse kings there were causing mayhem in Constantinople. It's like Putin doesn't have history books that go back further than Peter the 'Great' raping his way through Europe. (seems the video is a mix of quotes, so it may not be 100% legit.) Edited August 22, 2022 by magnkarl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted August 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 22, 2022 15 hours ago, Genie said: I don’t know how much he’d cost, but it would have been worth it. The irony is that Segal is a proponent of Aikido, which as I understand it (I am a former student of freestyle kickboxing and karate) requires someone to attack you first to be effective, as it's all about redirecting attackers energy. Not sure that applies to Russia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Ukraine had a parade of all the old, rusty, buckled Russian hardware which they have seized in Kyiv. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 22, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, Genie said: Ukraine had a parade of all the old, rusty, buckled Russian hardware which they have seized in Kyiv There is another video out there of the night time, with the population of Kyiv having a street party dancing on top of them 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bannedfromHandV Posted August 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2022 2 hours ago, bickster said: Responsibility for the car bomb has been claimed by a group calling themselves the National Republican Army. They have now published their "manifesto". It is reported here (Ukrainian Pravda) It's originally reported by Ilya Ponomarev, who is a former Russian MP (and Putin Critic) who now has Ukrainian citizenship About time the NRA did something useful……… 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 3 hours ago, bickster said: Responsibility for the car bomb has been claimed by a group calling themselves the National Republican Army. They have now published their "manifesto". It is reported here (Ukrainian Pravda) It's originally reported by Ilya Ponomarev, who is a former Russian MP (and Putin Critic) who now has Ukrainian citizenship Do we think he/they are being opportunistic with this claim of responsibility or do we think that such a group actually did this? Interesting times in Moscow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 22, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 22, 2022 Just now, LondonLax said: Do we think he/they are being opportunistic with this claim of responsibility or do we think that such a group actually did this? Interesting times in Moscow. I have no idea To be perfectly honest, it wouldn't shock me if it was the FSB themselves. Whether there are people high enough in the FSB and are also part of this NRA, no clue but it's possible Why do I think it's the FSB? Well for one, the car was in a very secure car park prior to the bomb going off, it was expected that the father would have been driving so that again needed knowledge of expected movements and the FSB are known to have elements, very much at odds with some of the ideologues that have Putin's ear. The only way it is them, is if they have supporters high up in the security services but I also wouldn't rule that out completely One thing it isn't and thats a Ukrainian Secret Services female Operative that escaped to Estonia (as announced by the FSB) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) Its possible this is Putin's "Kirov moment". For those not familiar, Stalin had Kirov, a close ally, assassinated and used that pretext to unleash the reign of terror in the USSR and tighten his grip on power. In keeping with Putin being the incompetent version of Stalin its possible the FSB botched the car bombing. False flag terror attacks are a hallmark of Putin who ordered the bombing of Russian apartment blocks early in office as a pretext to help seize greater power.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings Edited August 23, 2022 by ciggiesnbeer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post desensitized43 Posted August 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2022 The irony of Russia complaining about foreign agents carrying out assassinations on it’s soil…. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62553629 Quote Ukraine war: Russia appeals for new recruits for war effort The town of Volosovo, near St Petersburg, is booming. Not the economy - it's the loudspeakers. Like many towns in Russia, Volosovo has them installed on tall poles that line the main street. Traditionally they are used for playing patriotic music during national holidays. Now, though, they have a different purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 23, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 23, 2022 10 hours ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Its possible this is Putin's "Kirov moment". For those not familiar, Stalin had Kirov, a close ally, assassinated and used that pretext to unleash the reign of terror in the USSR and tighten his grip on power. In keeping with Putin being the incompetent version of Stalin its possible the FSB botched the car bombing. False flag terror attacks are a hallmark of Putin who ordered the bombing of Russian apartment blocks early in office as a pretext to help seize greater power.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings In this instance, however, it is known that the FSB is very much at odds with the Kremlin. Putin having placed a number of top FSB Leaders under house arrest. I think it's wrong to assume that the FSB and the Kremlin are totally in sync here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Russia making it even easier to target its planes in Crimea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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