LondonLax Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, bickster said: It sounds like they hit the jackpot with that strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, bickster said: Makes me happy to see. Should take time to restock just to maybe get taken out again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Drumroll please... I'm not sure who thinks it's a good idea to keep sending equipment and ammo to an airport that UA has hit 27 times, the mind boggles. I guess it could be because the local resistance is so fierce that Russia needs somewhere easily protected (airport) to be so as to not get stabbed, sabotaged and glued to a lamp post.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 All this happening to Russian stuff is great to hear. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 10 hours ago, magnkarl said: Drumroll please... I'm not sure who thinks it's a good idea to keep sending equipment and ammo to an airport that UA has hit 27 times, the mind boggles. I guess it could be because the local resistance is so fierce that Russia needs somewhere easily protected (airport) to be so as to not get stabbed, sabotaged and glued to a lamp post.. The problem seems to be that they vastly over estimated the effectiveness of their defence against western missiles. Airports aren't the safe haven they planned for. But they don't have the manpower or equipment to move the supplies quickly whilst also keeping them safe. Deliveries to an airport must be very easy to spot and therefore easy to hit whilst they are concentrated in that small area. What this war has shown is that ruSSia is decades behind NATO when it comes to monitoring the battlefield. When Russia unsuccesfully attacks a bridge with cruise missiles it takes them about 7 days to repeat the attack. This is the time it takes to assess the damage caused and order a new attack through their command structure. The US standard for the same action is 1 hour. That's mainly due to better surveillance and communication. But its also because the US command structure allows decision making at a much lower level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 13, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: The problem seems to be that they vastly over estimated the effectiveness of their defence against western missiles. Airports aren't the safe haven they planned for. But they don't have the manpower or equipment to move the supplies quickly whilst also keeping them safe. Deliveries to an airport must be very easy to spot and therefore easy to hit whilst they are concentrated in that small area. What this war has shown is that ruSSia is decades behind NATO when it comes to monitoring the battlefield. When Russia unsuccesfully attacks a bridge with cruise missiles it takes them about 7 days to repeat the attack. This is the time it takes to assess the damage caused and order a new attack through their command structure. The US standard for the same action is 1 hour. That's mainly due to better surveillance and communication. But its also because the US command structure allows decision making at a much lower level. From what I was reading the other day from multiple sources Chornobaivka is now so close to the front line around Kherson that storing ammunition there is just monumentally stupid even if you remove the history of the previous 26 - 29 direct hits on the place. From the look of this map its about 10 miles which is what others were claiming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 40 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: The problem seems to be that they vastly over estimated the effectiveness of their defence against western missiles. Airports aren't the safe haven they planned for. But they don't have the manpower or equipment to move the supplies quickly whilst also keeping them safe. Deliveries to an airport must be very easy to spot and therefore easy to hit whilst they are concentrated in that small area. What this war has shown is that ruSSia is decades behind NATO when it comes to monitoring the battlefield. When Russia unsuccesfully attacks a bridge with cruise missiles it takes them about 7 days to repeat the attack. This is the time it takes to assess the damage caused and order a new attack through their command structure. The US standard for the same action is 1 hour. That's mainly due to better surveillance and communication. But its also because the US command structure allows decision making at a much lower level. True, but it doesn’t seem to be western missiles that have done the job at this particular airfield. It’s happened since week 2 of the war, with everything from mortars, dumb bombs, rockets and airplanes. Russia keeps restocking a crater. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Or are they though? Perhaps it’s a ploy so they can restock another position…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted July 14, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 14, 2022 On 11/07/2022 at 16:19, sne said: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/brazils-bolsonaro-says-deal-close-buy-cheaper-diesel-russia-2022-07-11/ Bolsonaro is a bell end of the highest order who has been screwing over the planet in favour of profit at an unprecedented rate. There is nothing and no one he won't screw over for a quick buck it seems. He'll end up in the same dank pit that Trump and Putin are going to, eventually, but he'll try and take as many people with him unfortunately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Terrorist activity every single day. Killed a little girl with downs syndrome yesterday with cruise missiles hitting places of absolutely no military interest. Truly sickening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 On 15/07/2022 at 09:53, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Terrorist activity every single day. Killed a little girl with downs syndrome yesterday with cruise missiles hitting places of absolutely no military interest. Truly sickening It’s about bloody time that we give Ukraine the full long range HIMARS ammo. Ukraine have proven more than capable of deploying the lower range versions with no collateral damage. They need to be able to strike Russian airports and missiles sites in order to stop this madness. We also need to send AA systems to kill Russia’s 60’s missiles before they kill more civilians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Something Lenin wrote in 1917: source pp 91-92 … Ukrainian people do not wish to secede from Russia at present. They demand autonomy without denying the need for the supreme authority of the “All-Russia Parliament”. No democrat, let alone a socialist, will venture to deny the complete legitimacy of Ukraine’s demands. And no democrat can deny Ukraine’s right to freely secede from Russia. Only unqualified recognition of this right makes it possible to advocate a free union of the Ukrainians and the Great Russians, a voluntary association of the two peoples in one state. Only unqualified recognition of this right can actually break completely and irrevocably with the accursed tsarist past, when everything was done to bring about a mutual estrangement of the two peoples so close to each other in language, territory, character and history. Accursed tsarism made the Great Russians executioners of the Ukrainian people, and fomented in them a hatred for those who even forbade Ukrainian children to speak and study in their native tongue. Russia’s revolutionary democrats, if they want to be truly revolutionary and truly democratic, must break with that past, must regain for themselves, for the workers and peasants of Russia, the brotherly trust of the Ukrainian workers and peasants. This cannot be done without full recognition of Ukraine’s rights, including the right to free secession. We do not favour the existence of small states. We stand for the closest union of the workers of the world against “their own” capitalists and those of other countries. But for this union to be voluntary, the Russian worker, who does not for a moment trust the Russian or the Ukrainian bourgeoisie in anything, now stands for the right of the Ukrainians to secede, without imposing his friendship upon them, but striving to win their friendship by treating them as an equal, as an ally and brother in the struggle for socialism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) On 13/07/2022 at 15:09, PussEKatt said: All this happening to Russian stuff is great to hear. Thinking ahead, I would start getting ready for a hard winter if was Russian command. I suspect they are more interested in killing more people though. Ukraine will have the best clothing and materials for dealing with the weather the world has to offer. Russia won't, The cold will kill any army in the world and make anyone surrender. Russia thinks its funny killing little kids, so if they all lose fingers, toes and nose that would be great the bunch of words removed. It could happen, they are clueless as a fighting force, without Artillery they are Dad's Army stuff. Outgun their artillery and they can't win. Edited July 17, 2022 by Amsterdam_Neil_D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 I think ruSSia has a lot of problems to prepare for winter. Ukraine needs some expert help in winter fighting tactics. They will also need equipment designed for harsh conditions. I just wish NATO had 2 countries with excellent armed forces who are specifically trained and equipped to repel ruSSian attacks in harsh winter conditions. Their help would have been invaluable. Oh......hang on.........I've just remembered......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 17, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2022 Just now, Mandy Lifeboats said: I think ruSSia has a lot of problems to prepare for winter. Ukraine needs some expert help in winter fighting tactics. They will also need equipment designed for harsh conditions. I just wish NATO had 2 countries with excellent armed forces who are specifically trained and equipped to repel ruSSian attacks in harsh winter conditions. Their help would have been invaluable. Oh......hang on.........I've just remembered......... Not sure NATO membership is a requirement there. FInland and Sweden would do the same inside or outside of NATO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, bickster said: Not sure NATO membership is a requirement there. FInland and Sweden would do the same inside or outside of NATO I agree. But it will be even easier. They also know that they are safe from any ruSSian reprisals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 If there’s one thing history has taught us, it’s Russia always pussies out in a winter war. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: I think ruSSia has a lot of problems to prepare for winter. Ukraine needs some expert help in winter fighting tactics. They will also need equipment designed for harsh conditions. I just wish NATO had 2 countries with excellent armed forces who are specifically trained and equipped to repel ruSSian attacks in harsh winter conditions. Their help would have been invaluable. Oh......hang on.........I've just remembered......... NATO also has Norway. The host of NATOs annual cold response training where everyone is dunked in icy water and shown how to beat Russia in winter terrain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 In the Saturday paper here,there is an article about Russia killing a little Down Syndrome child in a pushchair and seriously injuring her mother.Thr Russian response was that they dont target civilians,only military objectives. If that is the case,then all I can say is they should be careful they dont hit Moscow with their terrible aiming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) Flightradar24 is interesting viewing this afternoon. A US Boeing Sentry and a US Boeing Tanker are flying in circles over Rumania. That’s pretty normal. They were then joined by a plane from the US Navy Lockheed Aries II which apparently specialises in intercepting communications. Nothing special. A plane of unknown type and origin appeared from the sea* off Southern Italy. It then flew at great speed up to the 3 planes and flew in very tight circles at high speed right along the Ukrainian border. It’s now headed away at high speed. Any theories what that could be? @bickster * Either it took off from a carrier or it flew covertly up to that point. Edited July 17, 2022 by Mandy Lifeboats Corrected some details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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