bickster Posted April 7, 2022 Moderator Share Posted April 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Ukraine had been talking as recently as last week about a negotiated peace which included the sacrifice of some land, including Crimea Or were they calling Russias bluff? It’s certainly the way it seemed to me. They knew Russia wasn’t seriously negotiating. And that was last week. A lot has been revealed since then that just might have changed minds and resolve both in Ukraine and from its supporting countries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 7, 2022 Moderator Share Posted April 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, bickster said: Or were they calling Russias bluff? It’s certainly the way it seemed to me. I dunno, but it's up to them. Quote And that was last week. A lot has been revealed since then that just might have changed minds and resolve both in Ukraine and from its supporting countries That definitely seems to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Nato countries have agreed to give Ukraine newer, heavier equipment - this is absolutely the time to do so. Got a feeling that all sides have agreed that nuclear is not an option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jareth said: Nato countries have agreed to give Ukraine newer, heavier equipment - this is absolutely the time to do so. Got a feeling that all sides have agreed that nuclear is not an option. Nuclear will always be just a deterrent. It's working for Russia as it should. Although I'm beginning to think if their Nuclear arsenal is actually even operational, if it is, I very much doubt they have the 6000+ which has previously been quoted. One thing this "special operation" has showed, is the Russians are mostly full of shit!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
og1874 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Nuclear will always be just a deterrent. It's working for Russia as it should. Although I'm beginning to think if their Nuclear arsenal is actually even operational, if it is, I very much doubt they have the 6000+ which has previously been quoted. One thing this "special operation" has showed, is the Russians are mostly full of shit!! Fine line between "FFS, we're a laughing stock" and "I'll teach them for laughing at me" though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Nuclear will always be just a deterrent. It's working for Russia as it should. Although I'm beginning to think if their Nuclear arsenal is actually even operational, if it is, I very much doubt they have the 6000+ which has previously been quoted. One thing this "special operation" has showed, is the Russians are mostly full of shit!! Amen. No more pretending. Russia can **** off back to soviet times. It won't work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Nuclear will always be just a deterrent. It's working for Russia as it should. Although I'm beginning to think if their Nuclear arsenal is actually even operational, if it is, I very much doubt they have the 6000+ which has previously been quoted. One thing this "special operation" has showed, is the Russians are mostly full of shit!! This is where they keep their nuclear arsenal. No, you can't look inside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
og1874 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 On the nukes thing, I doubt they’ve got enough launch ready ICBs to be able to take out everyone else’s launch sites, never mind actually do damage to populated areas. No good having 6000 warheads if you’ve only got enough launchers to get a fraction of them in the air before you’re blasted into oblivion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jareth said: Amen. No more pretending. Russia can **** off back to soviet times. It won't work. If Ukraine, armed to the teeth by NATO, keep progressing then Russia will be **** off back to, well, Russia. Edited April 7, 2022 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 42 minutes ago, Jareth said: Nato countries have agreed to give Ukraine newer, heavier equipment - this is absolutely the time to do so. Got a feeling that all sides have agreed that nuclear is not an option. Ya, I guess they had a meeting where decided not to end the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, Mr_Dogg said: Ya, I guess they had a meeting where decided not to end the world. I mean, they probably did. There was a lot of nuclear signalling early on, then nothing. If you're in power, anywhere with nuclear weapons then it is now clear that Nato is not going to attack Russia, and Russia is not going to attack Nato. Which is why Nato need to sign up the likes of Finland as fast as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
og1874 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 25 minutes ago, Mr_Dogg said: Ya, I guess they had a meeting where decided not to end the world. Not enough nukes in existence to make the slightest dent 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post choffer Posted April 7, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted April 7, 2022 Say what you like about them Ukrainians but their media team knows how to make an impact. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lichfield Dean Posted April 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted April 8, 2022 Just listened to the Pink Floyd single. Jesus Christ. Even by their standards it's miserable and identikit sounding. Before it even started I knew what Nick Mason would be playing on the drums. And as for the twenty minute guitar solo (which is impressively squeezed into only three minutes) I'm pretty sure I've heard it at least one hundred and eleventy times in the last forty years. However ... What a genuinely wonderful gesture from the band. No complaints there, so big round of applause for them overall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 This morning I was watching videos of Scientists examined the trenches that the Russians dug in the highly radioactive land around Chernobyl. These weren't just trenches for personnel. There were massive trenches to house vehicles. The scientists opinion was that the troops are likely to be seriously ill. But he pointed out 2 other things that made their survival chances much worse. They cut down trees for camp fires. Wood stores radioactivity until its disturbed. Its very likely that they were sitting around radioative camp fires eating food covered in radioactive particles. There are hundreds of friendly stray dogs around the plant. The scientists avoid touching them because their fur is just a mass of radioactive particles. Apparently the Russias were feeding and petting these dogs. How can any credible military force send troops to a known radioactive disaster area without even a basic knowledge of hazards they will face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: This morning I was watching videos of Scientists examined the trenches that the Russians dug in the highly radioactive land around Chernobyl. These weren't just trenches for personnel. There were massive trenches to house vehicles. The scientists opinion was that the troops are likely to be seriously ill. But he pointed out 2 other things that made their survival chances much worse. They cut down trees for camp fires. Wood stores radioactivity until its disturbed. Its very likely that they were sitting around radioative camp fires eating food covered in radioactive particles. There are hundreds of friendly stray dogs around the plant. The scientists avoid touching them because their fur is just a mass of radioactive particles. Apparently the Russias were feeding and petting these dogs. How can any credible military force send troops to a known radioactive disaster area without even a basic knowledge of hazards they will face. Why were they there anyway? Did they think by stationing themselves there they’d be “in den” as Ukraine wouldn’t risk firing at them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 21 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: Apparently the Russias were feeding and petting these dogs. The dog's are closer to being human than the Russian soldiers. If all the soldiers are really ill now and on the way to death in a painful way, good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 8, 2022 Moderator Share Posted April 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: The dog's are closer to being human than the Russian soldiers. If all the soldiers are really ill now and on the way to death in a painful way, good. No. I mean seriously, no. You/we don't know if they were poorly trained conscripts, or if they were regular army, but uninformed or unaware of the dangers, or if they took their chances, because they'd be blown to bits in the open, or if they would have been shot for disobeying orders...or etc. It's still ordinary humans. And I like dogs, and deplore what Putin's doing and ordering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 32 minutes ago, Genie said: Why were they there anyway? Did they think by stationing themselves there they’d be “in den” as Ukraine wouldn’t risk firing at them? As far as I understand it it was an important and easy route into Ukraine. I suppose that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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