LondonLax Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 16 minutes ago, bickster said: 4 Separate Operational Commands The more worrying thing is that the Russians appear to want to invade Moldova (or Transnistria at least) from Odessa if you look at the Black Sea Transnistria considers themselves part of Russia so it looks like Moldova will get the Ukraine treatment next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 1, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, LondonLax said: Transnistria considers themselves part of Russia so it looks like Moldova will get the Ukraine treatment next. Don't they consider themselves independent? With their own currency and courts and stuff? *I should point out that I didn't know Transnistria existed until Saturday. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Transnistria is only approx 30% Russian. It does suggest Putin intends to take at least all of the Black sea coast and southern Ukraine along with Eastern Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 1, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, CVByrne said: Transnistria is only approx 30% Russian. I think that's the biggest group though isn't it? Here's hoping it stays 30% Russian and doesn't wake up one morning in March to find it's become 60% Russian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 21 minutes ago, bickster said: 4 Separate Operational Commands The more worrying thing is that the Russians appear to want to invade Moldova (or Transnistria at least) from Odessa if you look at the Black Sea 15 minutes ago, Chindie said: Iirc the Russians have a presence in Transistria already. The initial build up of forces on the Ukrainian border had a small group on the border in Moldova. Yes, I think the point is it shows an attack *from* Transnistria. On the other hand, who knows if this thing is real at all, not great opsec to have a photo in front of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, OutByEaster? said: Don't they consider themselves independent? With their own currency and courts and stuff? *I should point out that I didn't know Transnistria existed until Saturday. It's a large mix of peoples, but like 60% are Russian / Ukrainian. They didn't want to be a minority in a Moldova that joined with Romania and that's what the brief war in 1991 was about. It's been a self administered region with peace keeping troops from Russia there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, OutByEaster? said: I think that's the biggest group though isn't it? Here's hoping it stays 30% Russian and doesn't wake up one morning in March to find it's become Russian. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I think that's the biggest group though isn't it? Here's hoping it stays 30% Russian and doesn't wake up one morning in March to find it's become 60% Russian. Well they did "ask" to be annexed when Crimea was annexed. It's the desired aim of the current government there. So I imagine Putin will take them on board in whatever the southern region of Ukraine becomes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted March 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, CVByrne said: Well they did "ask" to be annexed when Crimea was annexed. It's the desired aim of the current government there. So I imagine Putin will take them on board in whatever the southern region of Ukraine becomes Gently smoking rubble? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 If you go to time stamp 8:54 you can see the ethnic and language mix of Ukraine. After that you can see Pro Russian votes by region also. So you can see where Putin probably feels he can set up Pro Russian buffer states and where he probably cant. So the division of Ukraine into 2 / 3 "independent" states seems most likely outcome for now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, CVByrne said: If you go to time stamp 8:54 you can see the ethnic and language mix of Ukraine. After that you can see Pro Russian votes by region also. So you can see where Putin probably feels he can set up Pro Russian buffer states and where he probably cant. So the division of Ukraine into 2 / 3 "independent" states seems most likely outcome for now. No, the West is not to blame for Ukraine, just like the rest of the world weren’t to blame for the Anschluss. That is Galloway level bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 I hope Belarus commits all its troops, so the people of Belarus can finish what they started last year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, magnkarl said: No, the West is not to blame for Ukraine, just like the rest of the world weren’t to blame for the Anschluss. That is Galloway level bs. If you watch the whole video, that's the conclusion - That Putin is to blame and not the West. Especially his decision to annex Crimea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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foreveryoung Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Be interesting to know what the USAF Stratotankers are fueling, there's about 4 circling Romania on Flight radar, been there everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted March 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 1, 2022 Well one thing about the ethinicity chat is that Stalin did a whole lot of **** on that score. He ethnically cleansed Crimea in 1946, and other places before and after. The idea that Crimea is "Russian" ignores the fact that the indigenous people all got taken to Siberia and put in camps or were made to make the road of bones and other such fun stuff. Same with loads of these places that get touted as having x% russian speaking populations. It's happened inside the last 80 years and it was done by force. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Boris might have not handled the Covid crisis the best, but I have to admit he is certainly in his prime at the moment on this war with his speeches and diplomacy. Although he has always wanted to be the next Churchill, of the 21st century. I totally agree with his comeback to the Ukranian women in the video. We cannot enforce a no fly zone and start shooting down Russians, that;s just not a option, or where we want to be going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, romavillan said: Well one thing about the ethinicity chat is that Stalin did a whole lot of **** on that score. He ethnically cleansed Crimea in 1946, and other places before and after. The idea that Crimea is "Russian" ignores the fact that the indigenous people all got taken to Siberia and put in camps or were made to make the road of bones and other such fun stuff. Same with loads of these places that get touted as having x% russian speaking populations. It's happened inside the last 80 years and it was done by force. It's not that anybody is 'ignoring' it, it's that it doesn't matter to the prospect of a solution. Unfortunately we need to deal with the world as it is, not as it was pre-Stalin. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Whoa! Biden's out of bed, gonna be a speech at 9pm, not sure if that's our time as it's reported on CNN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted March 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: It's not that anybody is 'ignoring' it, it's that it doesn't matter to the prospect of a solution. Unfortunately we need to deal with the world as it is, not as it was pre-Stalin. Yeah but it kind of goes along with the Russian propaganda that these places are "Russian" they aren't, the people who spoke Russian that got moved in will all have a granddad who's parents lived in a totally different part of Russia. The fact there are russian speakers there does no in any way make mean they are part of Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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