maqroll Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: There is a pretty disturbing video from within a clothes store, it shows people walking around then suddenly running for their lives as the truck flies past. It's not graphic in any way but it's pretty frightening. i saw that, it is really brutal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 11 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: People have probably been saying this for centuries and will do for centuries to come. Can you imagine the whole world in utter peace though, what a lovely thought. It's a great point. The world is not going to blow up anytime soon. it's just going to be incrementally bad for centuries more. We'll be lucky to get off this joyride when we do. (Not to sound too morbid) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Charming fella, profile says he's a Netherlands based youth wing member of Sultan Erdogan's party. More people than we'd like to admit actively support this horror. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 46 minutes ago, Awol said: Charming fella, profile says he's a Netherlands based youth wing member of Sultan Erdogan's party. More people than we'd like to admit actively support this horror. Of course they do but too many people have their heads up theirs arses to admit it. we are doing more damage by ignoring the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 58 minutes ago, Awol said: More people than we'd like to admit actively support this horror. Come on mate, its the religion of peace don't you know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Some horrific photos on Twitter of the aftermath of the attack yesterday What is the answer? Is there one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Police have found explosive in the truck. A homemade bomb that did not go off as intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 40 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: we are doing more damage by ignoring the problem What problem are we ignoring and what damage is being done by ignoring it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, snowychap said: What problem are we ignoring and what damage is being done by ignoring it? I think we are downplaying how many Muslims have extremist views and openly or quietly support it. By ignoring the problem we cannot get to grips with the problem or even try to understand it but I'm not the one with the answers mate. What happens if you ignore cancer, it spreads and then kills you and I'm not saying these extremists are going to kill us all but it's certainly spreading. I don't have proof but I'd quietly say there are millions of Muslims who support or agree with this barbaric form of Islam because that's what it is, this has everything to do with Islam. Sweden has some terrible problems with this religion like many other countries in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, snowychap said: What problem are we ignoring and what damage is being done by ignoring it? some people are very very scared we should all stay in doors until someone has done something about somebody nothing anything like this has ever happened anywhere ever before and we haven't survived up to this point, we're dooooomed glorious sunny day in London yesterday, went shopping and site seeing after my meeting there were brown people there but they appeared mostly normal 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Awol said: Charming fella, profile says he's a Netherlands based youth wing member of Sultan Erdogan's party. More people than we'd like to admit actively support this horror. Just been reading some of his tweets, makes my **** blood boil. It's freedom of speech though so naff all can be done. The bit about gaddafi saying Islam does not need bombs or guns and that childbirth alone will make Europe a Muslim continent in decades to come. Silent jihad in terms of being very polite and getting on with your life in a quiet way but knocking out loads of kids and preying all your other brothers do the same so that eventually it gives Islam a big foothold in the foreign land they live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: some people are very very scared we should all stay in doors until someone has done something about somebody nothing anything like this has ever happened anywhere ever before and we haven't survived up to this point, we're dooooomed glorious sunny day in London yesterday, went shopping and site seeing after my meeting there were brown people there but they appeared mostly normal Go and live in malmo and I'm sure your opinion might change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted April 8, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 8, 2017 Just now, Rugeley Villa said: Go and live in malmo and I'm sure your opinion might change. Get a grip. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Get a grip. Yeah everything is just fine, ignore me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: I think we are downplaying how many Muslims have extremist views and openly or quietly support it. By ignoring the problem we cannot get to grips with the problem or even try to understand it but I'm not the one with the answers mate. What happens if you ignore cancer, it spreads and then kills you and I'm not saying these extremists are going to kill us all but it's certainly spreading. I don't have proof but I'd quietly say there are millions of Muslims who support or agree with this barbaric form of Islam because that's what it is, this has everything to do with Islam. Sweden has some terrible problems with this religion like many other countries in Europe. To get to grips with a problem, you need to know what the problem is and understand it. That requires more than 'thinking we are downplaying how many' and not having proof but 'quietly saying' and making an emotive cancer analogy. If you have no proof of the numbers that are the problem (i.e. of those who support this kind of thing) then perhaps you're in as much danger of overplaying the problem as others may be of underplaying it. Edited April 8, 2017 by snowychap 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 9 minutes ago, snowychap said: To get to grips with a problem, you need to know what the problem is and understand it. That requires more than 'thinking we are downplaying how many' and not having proof but 'quietly saying' and making an emotive cancer analogy. If you have no proof of the numbers that are the problem (i.e. of those who support this kind of thing) then perhaps you're in as much danger of overplaying the problem as others may be of underplaying it. What would you suggest? And do you think there is a problem with this religion in particular or is it just like any other religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post snowychap Posted April 8, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Rugeley Villa said: What would you suggest? And do you think there is a problem with this religion in particular or is it just like any other religion. I'd say the same kind of thing that I normally say about 'problems': that the reasons behind them are likely to be much more complicated and multifarious than people like to acknowledge or want to hear. We don't want to hear that problems are difficult to solve or to address, much more we don't want to hear that they may be difficult to understand. We want solutions. We want politicians and statespeople and the 'great and the good' to stand up and tell us that they'll stop x,y and z from ever happening again and that they'll make everything fine in the future (whether that's keeping the streets safe or bringing back jobs or eradicating cancer). To a certain extent we want to be told we 'live in dangerous times' because it allows for the perception that there have been and will be times that are not dangerous at all rather than times that may have been and may be, in future, differently dangerous. As far as 'this religion' goes, the more I read about Islam, its various internal groupings and internecine struggles, the wide variety of doctrines, of scholarly disputes, of practices and the spectrum that these cover suggests to me that anyone wanting to place it as a single homogenous entity at the extreme whereby it necessarily begets only the kind of violent and murderous action that we see on newsreels either has a specific agenda or is making an error. Just like any other religion? That would be one for the religion thread and for a much less sunny day - but the short answer would be that I'm no fan of religion in general so I find it difficult to discriminate in either a positive or a negative way between one lot or another simply because of the creed they follow or the actions of a constituent part of a particular religion. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaspg Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 **** these people. The best we can do is to avoid the path they are trying to usher us to with their horrid actions. We need to make our own way, not bow down to fear or budge our priorities because they say so. Looking back through history this is what us swedes have done and it has done us well in return, it is in the harshest of times that our values plays their utmost important part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Rugeley Villa said: Just been reading some of his tweets, makes my **** blood boil. It's freedom of speech though so naff all can be done. The bit about gaddafi saying Islam does not need bombs or guns and that childbirth alone will make Europe a Muslim continent in decades to come. Silent jihad in terms of being very polite and getting on with your life in a quiet way but knocking out loads of kids and preying all your other brothers do the same so that eventually it gives Islam a big foothold in the foreign land they live in. You guys are being played by some meme account called Erdogan Kawaii Desu. Shows where your biases lie. And so does the bolded to be fair. Silent jihad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Keyblade said: You guys are being played by some meme account called Erdogan Kawaii Desu. Shows where your biases lie. And so does the bolded to be fair. Silent jihad It's serious stuff mate reading it back I do sound a plonker. I'm actually out with a young Muslim boy now who's a lovely lad. Maybe he can change me Edited April 8, 2017 by Rugeley Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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