romavillan Posted April 26, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted April 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Nigel said: Really could do with 2nd place being still on the cards after this weekend, doesn't matter how slim. Don't really want to head to milwall with a new sense of disappointment as I can see them handing us a beating at the wrong time. It's important now to keep the run going. It's slimmer than a fasting stick insects thinner cousin's legs but it would really set up an amazing end to the season if cardiff and fulham lose and we wi this weekend. We'd be level on points with flum and a point behind cardiff... Sunderland beating Fulham must be about 123493851003248 to 1 though surely? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Nigel said: Really could do with 2nd place being still on the cards after this weekend, doesn't matter how slim. Don't really want to head to milwall with a new sense of disappointment as I can see them handing us a beating at the wrong time. It's important now to keep the run going. On the other hand would be nice to be able rest players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted April 26, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted April 26, 2018 42 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: On the other hand would be nice to be able rest players. We are resting players anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 41 minutes ago, Nigel said: We are resting players anyway. Actually I should have said be able to rest Grealish. So important for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 I didn’t realise Fulham’s owner was that rich - being reported he’s offered the FA £800m for Wembley stadium - if fulham and wolves go up I’d expect both to spend very big in the premier league - let’s hope xia will do the same . i really think fulham will win tomorrow night and go on to finish 2nd - if so will be interesting to see which team we field on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 On 25/04/2018 at 14:47, BOF said: And yet the results don't bear that out. Yes OK we did lose to Brentford, Fulham & Wolves, but they're the only games this season where we've lost and been out-possessed (with the bizarre exception of Reading away 33.1%). In other words when we give up possession and allow the other team to play football, we very rarely lose. It's when we have possession and the other team play the counter attacker game that we struggle. The other times we've lost this season, without exception, are games where we've had the lion's share. At Derby (we had 67.2% lost 2-0), at Cardiff (65.2% lost 3-0), home to QPR (61.4% lost 3-1), at Bolton (57.2% lost 1-0), home to Sheff Wed (56.4% lost 2-1) & at Norwich (56.4% lost 3-1). It's worth pointing out though, we have become an awful lot better recently at winning games AND dominating possession. In fact our last 4 wins all came with >50% possession. * Possession stats from Sky website Interesting that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digavilla Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 On 25/04/2018 at 21:47, BOF said: And yet the results don't bear that out. Yes OK we did lose to Brentford, Fulham & Wolves, but they're the only games this season where we've lost and been out-possessed (with the bizarre exception of Reading away 33.1%). In other words when we give up possession and allow the other team to play football, we very rarely lose. It's when we have possession and the other team play the counter attacker game that we struggle. The other times we've lost this season, without exception, are games where we've had the lion's share. At Derby (we had 67.2% lost 2-0), at Cardiff (65.2% lost 3-0), home to QPR (61.4% lost 3-1), at Bolton (57.2% lost 1-0), home to Sheff Wed (56.4% lost 2-1) & at Norwich (56.4% lost 3-1). It's worth pointing out though, we have become an awful lot better recently at winning games AND dominating possession. In fact our last 4 wins all came with >50% possession. * Possession stats from Sky website I maybe wrong , the way I see it we are considered a big gun in the championship, if opposing team like Derby/ Bolton/ Cardiff score first it’s considered a great result, thus they defend deep & give us procession , knowingly we do not have nippy/skillful/ quick midfielders to break them down, and try to hit on the break.Thus our procession stats % show highs against those team. Also in our last 4 wins, 2 of the teams got players send off if I remember correctly ? It’s natural to have high % against 10 men surely ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted April 26, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, Digavilla said: I maybe wrong , the way I see it we are considered a big gun in the championship, if opposing team like Derby/ Bolton/ Cardiff score first it’s considered a great result, thus they defend deep & give us procession , knowingly we do not have nippy/skillful/ quick midfielders to break them down, and try to hit on the break.Thus our procession stats % show highs against those team. Teams have opened the scoring against us 15 times this season. In those 15 games our possession stats are as follows 65.2% at Cardiff (L3-0), 33.1% at Reading (L2-1), 48.6% at Bristol City (D1-1), 44.7% at Wolves (L2-0), 56.4% v Wednesday (L2-1), 48.5% at QPR (W2-1), 48.0% at Leeds (D1-1), 67.2% at Derby (L2-0), 47.3% at Brentford (L2-1), 37.0% at Fulham (L2-0), 52.1% v Preston (D1-1), 61.4% at Wednesday (W4-2), 61.4% v QPR (L3-1), 57.2% at Bolton (L1-0), 56.4% at Norwich (L3-1) So we can see that in 7 of those games we had less than 50% possession. That doesn't suggest the team who opens the scoring tends to sit back and defend their lead. It's a pretty mixed bag really, both in terms of possession and eventual result. It's a testament to our home form that 12 of those 15 matches were away from home too. 13 minutes ago, Digavilla said: Also in our last 4 wins, 2 of the teams got players send off if I remember correctly ? It’s natural to have high % against 10 men surely ? I'd say that's a reasonable assumption, yes, but expanding our possession discussion beyond just victories, we're seeing more of the ball in general. 9 times in the past 12 league games we've out-possessed our opponent. Compare that with 4 times in our first 12. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Would be mental if we are still in contention come the final game of the season. All eyes on us and Hull Cardiff - obvs good if Fulham screw up on Friday but it literally will not happen bar something very unlucky. If results go our way I'm hoping we are at least close to Fulham on GD so we go into final game with a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 4 hours ago, romavillan said: It's slimmer than a fasting stick insects thinner cousin's legs but it would really set up an amazing end to the season if cardiff and fulham lose and we wi this weekend. We'd be level on points with flum and a point behind cardiff... Sunderland beating Fulham must be about 123493851003248 to 1 though surely? That's some of the most creative stuff I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digavilla Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, BOF said: Teams have opened the scoring against us 15 times this season. In those 15 games our possession stats are as follows 65.2% at Cardiff (L3-0), 33.1% at Reading (L2-1), 48.6% at Bristol City (D1-1), 44.7% at Wolves (L2-0), 56.4% v Wednesday (L2-1), 48.5% at QPR (W2-1), 48.0% at Leeds (D1-1), 67.2% at Derby (L2-0), 47.3% at Brentford (L2-1), 37.0% at Fulham (L2-0), 52.1% v Preston (D1-1), 61.4% at Wednesday (W4-2), 61.4% v QPR (L3-1), 57.2% at Bolton (L1-0), 56.4% at Norwich (L3-1) So we can see that in 7 of those games we had less than 50% possession. That doesn't suggest the team who opens the scoring tends to sit back and defend their lead. It's a pretty mixed bag really, both in terms of possession and eventual result. It's a testament to our home form that 12 of those 15 matches were away from home too. I'd say that's a reasonable assumption, yes, but expanding our possession discussion beyond just victories, we're seeing more of the ball in general. 9 times in the past 12 league games we've out-possessed our opponent. Compare that with 4 times in our first 12. Agree, we are definitely getting more procession, especially after Grealish returned to the from injury. Hopefully we make those procession count in the playoff ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 37 minutes ago, Digavilla said: Agree, we are definitely getting more procession, especially after Grealish returned to the from injury. Hopefully we make those procession count in the playoff ! It’s possession . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digavilla Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, Eastie said: It’s possession . Oops... Typo mistake. Sorry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 2 hours ago, BOF said: Teams have opened the scoring against us 15 times this season. In those 15 games our possession stats are as follows 65.2% at Cardiff (L3-0), 33.1% at Reading (L2-1), 48.6% at Bristol City (D1-1), 44.7% at Wolves (L2-0), 56.4% v Wednesday (L2-1), 48.5% at QPR (W2-1), 48.0% at Leeds (D1-1), 67.2% at Derby (L2-0), 47.3% at Brentford (L2-1), 37.0% at Fulham (L2-0), 52.1% v Preston (D1-1), 61.4% at Wednesday (W4-2), 61.4% v QPR (L3-1), 57.2% at Bolton (L1-0), 56.4% at Norwich (L3-1) So we can see that in 7 of those games we had less than 50% possession. That doesn't suggest the team who opens the scoring tends to sit back and defend their lead. It's a pretty mixed bag really, both in terms of possession and eventual result. It's a testament to our home form that 12 of those 15 matches were away from home too. I'd say that's a reasonable assumption, yes, but expanding our possession discussion beyond just victories, we're seeing more of the ball in general. 9 times in the past 12 league games we've out-possessed our opponent. Compare that with 4 times in our first 12. So, we have just 2 wins and 3 draws from the 15 games in which the opposition scored first this season. Wow! Not much bouncebackability shown there! Let's hope we don't go a goal behind at any time in the play-off games! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 hour ago, villarocker said: So, we have just 2 wins and 3 draws from the 15 games in which the opposition scored first this season. Wow! Not much bouncebackability shown there! Let's hope we don't go a goal behind at any time in the play-off games! This is my biggest criticism of the team under Bruce. We rely so much on quick counter atrack that once a team takes the lead and can sit deep we have no play B. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 This is where automatic promotion was lost in my opinion. Reading, Shef Wed, QPR, Bolton, Norwich. 5 points from that lot (teams you should be at least getting a point against) and we are second now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 13 hours ago, romavillan said: It's slimmer than a fasting stick insects thinner cousin's legs but it would really set up an amazing end to the season if cardiff and fulham lose and we wi this weekend. We'd be level on points with flum and a point behind cardiff... Sunderland beating Fulham must be about 123493851003248 to 1 though surely? Yeah seems unlikely. Sunderland's players just gave up months ago. At this point they just want to avoid getting injured so they can get a transfer away in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nigel Posted April 27, 2018 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2018 19 hours ago, romavillan said: Sunderland beating Fulham must be about 123493851003248 to 1 though surely? Bet you a quid! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 15 hours ago, Eastie said: It’s possession . Many looked at the obvious error and chose not to correct, but you, you just couldn't help yourself could you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 31 minutes ago, Jareth said: Many looked at the obvious error and chose not to correct, but you, you just couldn't help yourself could you? I just thought he was using some fancy lingo that I didn't understand. So I just nodded and agreed "hmm, I suppose he's right, they were getting more procession" ..."but, that would be an ecumenical matter" 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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