markavfc40 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just now, terrytini said: Ha ha ha ha !! See what you did there ? Case proved I think ? I said no team will get promoted automatically on 86 points !! You say it’s enough That is the whole debate..... Crikey my chances of winning are slim aren't they. I need the team in second to get 86 or less to win then? not just for the team in third to get 85 or less? You know what Terry as I like you and I have provided the shovel and dug my own hole, and as it is for charity, I will take it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 @fightoffyour ... I’d love to know what kind of person reads the last two pages and thinks ..”you know what, I think I’ll join in that” !! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted October 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just now, terrytini said: @fightoffyour ... I’d love to know what kind of person reads the last two pages and thinks ..”you know what, I think I’ll join in that” !! A mathematician. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 16, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 minute ago, terrytini said: @fightoffyour ... I’d love to know what kind of person reads the last two pages and thinks ..”you know what, I think I’ll join in that” !! I was going to like this.... then realised it applied to me too 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just to make it clear I won't be taking anymore wagers. I already feel like @terrytini has taken advantage of me. @fightoffyour your post makes perfect sense. Wish you'd posted it 10 minutes earlier. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just now, TrentVilla said: I was going to like this.... then realised it applied to me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Well that was fun. Im off to do something simpler like understand the wife... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 16, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: Just to make it clear I won't be taking anymore wagers. I already feel like @terrytini has taken advantage of me. @fightoffyour your post makes perfect sense. Wish you'd posted it 10 minutes earlier. Fair enough, no more bets. Now.... about these magic beans.... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 @markavfc40 @terrytini @fightoffyour & @TrentVilla Thanx that was the most entertaining debate on here ever (as an onlooker) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 17, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) @markavfc40 I'd usually side with you on any argument, but your logic over the past couple of pages is massively flawed. I can see why you've done it, the amount of points needed to finish above 3rd place. But what you're doing is effectively pretending the team in 2nd doesn't exist. To finish 2nd last season, we would have had to have gotten more points than the team who DID finish second. Getting more points than the team who finished 3rd simply gets you 3rd place. Think of it like a race. To get 2nd place in a race, you don't have to overtake the person in 3rd. You have to overtake the person in 2nd. Edited October 17, 2017 by Stevo985 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 The only flaw of relevance here is that we wont finish 3rd let alone 2nd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 13 hours ago, terrytini said: Quite. Not just top half, top 15. Further to my Posts on this yesterday I would make this additional observation. Bruce has played 13 Away games against sides in the Top 15. Won 1 Drawn 2 Lost 10 Scored 5 Conceeded 22 Yep this is exactly it. Bruce needs to inprove on this significantly. I think we will. Just a hunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Yep this is exactly it. Bruce needs to inprove on this significantly. I think we will. Just a hunch So we should keep him as manager so he can fail again, so next season we can navigating our way through ffp with the sales of Chester, Taylor & Kodjia (at least). All on your Hunch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Just now, Grasshopper said: So we should keep him as manager so he can fail again, so next season we can navigating our way through ffp with the sales of Chester, Taylor & Kodjia (at least). All on your Hunch? Your only speculating he will fail, the next 2-4 games will tell us if it was just flash in a pan against poorer teams My "hunch" or opinion is based on signs of improvements over the season. A load of games we would have lost season that we won/drew this year. I dont see the point of sacking him when we are 2 points form 4th. That would be very small heath like. Like I have said previously, the next two games are against better opposition therefore will tell us if Bruce is the real deal or a big bag of puff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 5 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Your only speculating he will fail, the next 2-4 games will tell us if it was just flash in a pan against poorer teams My "hunch" or opinion is based on signs of improvements over the season. A load of games we would have lost season that we won/drew this year. I dont see the point of sacking him when we are 2 points form 4th. That would be very small heath like. Like I have said previously, the next two games are against better opposition therefore will tell us if Bruce is the real deal or a big bag of puff bag of puff it is then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 How many points do we need on Saturday to reach 86 then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 16/10/2017 at 20:57, markavfc40 said: Over the next 11 games I think we an take 22 points. That would put us on 41 leaving around 45/46 from 23 games. An average of 2 points a game. So far, we have done that against teams in the lower half of the table, and just 1 point a game agaisnt teams in the upper half. On 16/10/2017 at 21:07, TrentVilla said: Not unless we start performing better against sides in the top half of the table we won’t. Quite. It requires a step change in performance, not just an odd result nicked here and there. And then if we somehow reach the playoffs, the teams we play are in the upper part of the upper half... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 I am still holding onto a belief that we are at least as good as any other team, aside from wolves ha ha. Still think we will go up a gear yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 3 hours ago, Jareth said: I am still holding onto a belief that we are at least as good as any other team, aside from wolves ha ha. Still think we will go up a gear yet. If we can go up a gear it would be amazing and would probably get us promoted, but I think Bruce likes to stay in 2nd gear and plod along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 I dont know about anyone else but, right now, the only thing I can see for this season is: 1) Villa beating lower teams. 2) Drawing mid table games. 3) Losing to the top teams. 4) Gathering enough points to flirt around the top 6. 5) Tail off towards the end of the season and finish around 10th. We go again! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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