HanoiVillan Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 It seems to me that some useful qualities for a bottom-half Premier League striker are a] being good at set pieces (taking penalties, scoring headers, defending corners), b] 'defending from the front', ie being prepared to chase a lot during the game, c] being good at receiving the ball with your back to goal and distributing it well, d] having a fairly high conversion rate as you won't get many chances, and e] not being caught offside very often as that wastes precious chances and pisses off an already-tense crowd. It's not that a striker needs to be great at all of those things, but if I think about a replacement-level bottom-half PL striker like Rondon he seems at least decent at most of them. Looking through that list though, it's hard to see what Hogan is likely to bring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 If someone would take on his whole contract, we would 100% let him go free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonVillian Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Never got a chance - easy 20 goals per season in the prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 If we had kept Micah it would have been intriguing to watch Hogan trying to get past Micah in a training routine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: It seems to me that some useful qualities for a bottom-half Premier League striker are a] being good at set pieces (taking penalties, scoring headers, defending corners), b] 'defending from the front', ie being prepared to chase a lot during the game, c] being good at receiving the ball with your back to goal and distributing it well, d] having a fairly high conversion rate as you won't get many chances, and e] not being caught offside very often as that wastes precious chances and pisses off an already-tense crowd. It's not that a striker needs to be great at all of those things, but if I think about a replacement-level bottom-half PL striker like Rondon he seems at least decent at most of them. Looking through that list though, it's hard to see what Hogan is likely to bring. He always offside and falls over a lot - he should apply for a job helping test VAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeps Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Do wonder if we can use him as bait for a player we are may be after in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 can somebody get the odds on him scoring the winner at Spurs away...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted June 13, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2019 Could link up well with Big Wes, deserves a chance.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, hippo said: can somebody get the odds on him scoring the winner at Spurs away...? For which team and in what future year? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted June 13, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: For which team and in what future year? Possibly meant this San Fran outfit: https://www.spurssoccer.com/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 QPR apparantly looking at taking Hogan. Mark Warburton signed him at Brentford apparantly and wants to sign him again. Wether it's a loan or ideally a transfer hopefully, it get's him gone. He won't kick another ball for Villa again anyway imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) Bye bye then, hopefully Edited June 21, 2019 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) couldn't trap a bag of cement...never mind a ball. Edited June 21, 2019 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I have to say I always prefer players who can create goals for themselves....despite all the ones from crosses Benteke could also do this and Kodjia in 16/17 at his maverick best was textbook example. Just signing a striker who can only score in 6 yard box and needs attacking midfielders to give him practically open goals always just feels to me a bit of a limited approach...that said Tammy Abraham had no issues playing that role and showing Hogan how it's done here. He never really got going here, pretty much was injured on his debut then kept up picking little injuries and eventually SB signed others like Grabban who filled the role much better. I'm convinced Steve Bruce really didn't scout him that much and just saw a guy at top of scoring charts and thought he'd just do the same here. I imagine Dean took one look at him on training pitch and concluded his confidence was totally shot compared to his Brentford days so that's why he was quickly put out on loan even though he was working again with manager he'd previously had good success with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, VillaChris said: I have to say I always prefer players who can create goals for themselves....despite all the ones from crosses Benteke could also do this and Kodjia in 16/17 at his maverick best was textbook example. Just signing a striker who can only score in 6 yard box and needs attacking midfielders to give him practically open goals always just feels to me a bit of a limited approach...that said Tammy Abraham had no issues playing that role and showing Hogan how it's done here. He never really got going here, pretty much was injured on his debut then kept up picking little injuries and eventually SB signed others like Grabban who filled the role much better. I'm convinced Steve Bruce really didn't scout him that much and just saw a guy at top of scoring charts and thought he'd just do the same here. I imagine Dean took one look at him on training pitch and concluded his confidence was totally shot compared to his Brentford days so that's why he was quickly put out on loan even though he was working again with manager he'd previously had good success with. you've been listening to Mr Mourinho.....who said the very same. I endorse your comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keener window-cleaner Posted June 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2019 I don't really understand all the abuse he gets. It isn't his fault that we paid over the odds for him. He showed in short stints at Brentford that he can be an efficient striker poaching goals if created for him, even though he is not the type of striker I prefer. Seems like injuries, loss of form and confidence have made him go backwards the last years. But as far as I am aware, he has never showed any bad attitude or bad-talked the club. Seems like he tries his best and cares, how does that warrant the abuse he gets? We should keep that for the bad eggs, the ppl who deserves it and harms the club. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Keener window-cleaner said: I don't really understand all the abuse he gets. It isn't his fault that we paid over the odds for him. He showed in short stints at Brentford that he can be an efficient striker poaching goals if created for him, even though he is not the type of striker I prefer. Seems like injuries, loss of form and confidence have made him go backwards the last years. But as far as I am aware, he has never showed any bad attitude or bad-talked the club. Seems like he tries his best and cares, how does that warrant the abuse he gets? We should keep that for the bad eggs, the ppl who deserves it and harms the club. Does he get abuse? I’ve seen Taylor and Elmo get a lot worse. Probably even Hourihane. Edited June 22, 2019 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 8 hours ago, Keener window-cleaner said: I don't really understand all the abuse he gets. It isn't his fault that we paid over the odds for him. He showed in short stints at Brentford that he can be an efficient striker poaching goals if created for him, even though he is not the type of striker I prefer. Seems like injuries, loss of form and confidence have made him go backwards the last years. But as far as I am aware, he has never showed any bad attitude or bad-talked the club. Seems like he tries his best and cares, how does that warrant the abuse he gets? We should keep that for the bad eggs, the ppl who deserves it and harms the club. I haven't seen any abuse ,just fans reporting on what they see when he plays. At Brentford they committed so many players to attack, me and you would have scored in their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 8 hours ago, Keener window-cleaner said: I don't really understand all the abuse he gets. It isn't his fault that we paid over the odds for him. He showed in short stints at Brentford that he can be an efficient striker poaching goals if created for him, even though he is not the type of striker I prefer. Seems like injuries, loss of form and confidence have made him go backwards the last years. But as far as I am aware, he has never showed any bad attitude or bad-talked the club. Seems like he tries his best and cares, how does that warrant the abuse he gets? We should keep that for the bad eggs, the ppl who deserves it and harms the club. I don't get the way some get so defensive of him. In the last couple of years i've seen Jack Grealish get more stick and abuse than Hogan. Yet poor scott needs the sympathy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 22, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2019 Should have gone on loan somewhere where he would have walked in as the starter instead of somewhere where he was always going to be a third choice striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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