brummybloke Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Just now, terrytini said: There’s room for this idea....but I’d rather we were much more on the pace of this League and more settled until,we add this ( often productive but inherently more risky) option. The problem there is when do you go for it ? 6 losses in a row ? Scoring the odd goal from midfield?. We play a system where the fullbacks should be overlapping and adding unpredictability to our attack. Instead we play slow ponderous predictable football 85% of the time in the 2 games so far, putting ourselves under needless pressure in both games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Taken from post elsewhere... It'll be interesting to see the difference new full backs make, going forward and holding possession it'll be noticeable I think, huge upgrade. I'm totally against Smith in this decision. Taylor and Elmo out thanks. Spending over £10m on a left back that isn't better than Taylor at everything is not good, I'm not sure what's going on. Taylor isn't a "defensive full back", he's a crap full back. This defensive stuff has appeared from nowhere as people try to understand what the hell we're doing. He wasn't a defensive full back when Championship wingers danced round him for three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 He is playing well and so I have no problem with him keeping his place. That’s good man management. I would have brought on Targett at some point in the second half as a tactical change when we were on top and seeing a lot of the ball. There was one moment when McGinn had the ball down the left and essentially had to tell Taylor to get in front of him and provide an overlap outlet. Attacking football is not his strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted August 18, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Taken from post elsewhere... It'll be interesting to see the difference new full backs make, going forward and holding possession it'll be noticeable I think, huge upgrade. I'm totally against Smith in this decision. Taylor and Elmo out thanks. Spending over £10m on a left back that isn't better than Taylor at everything is not good, I'm not sure what's going on. Taylor isn't a "defensive full back", he's a crap full back. This defensive stuff has appeared from nowhere as people try to understand what the hell we're doing. He wasn't a defensive full back when Championship wingers danced round him for three years. Spending X million on someone is not a reason to play him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexvilla4 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 The problem with Taylor is that whenever he has the ball grealish and el ghazi have to run towards him as Taylor can only pass it about 3 yards. This then slows down our whole attack and makes us easy to play against 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 When we have the ball he is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard. If he was amazing defensively then fair enough, but he isn't. He is OK at best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) Think at this level he looks better as he has more defending to do, last season we expected him to push forward which is not his style Still cant believe he got me 7 goals one season in FM Edited August 18, 2019 by Zatman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Playing him (and to a lesser extent Elmo) creates a fundamental flaw in how we want to play when we have the ball. We are a car with a flat rear tire. It just doesn't work. He's even been pretty OK so far, but when we have the ball he kills momentum and makes us a slower team easier to defend against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 He will be dropped in a couple of games. We didn't spend £14m on Targett for him to sit on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, jacketspuds said: He will be dropped in a couple of games. We didn't spend £14m on Targett for him to sit on the bench. Probably true. However, another way to look at it is that Southampton had a £14m player and he spent a lot of time on the bench. Maybe £14m doesn’t get you an automatic first choice quality player anymore ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Feet Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Taylor was really good yesterday, maybe MOTM. Yes he lacks going forward but did get forward yesterday, granted he’s not the player you want a chance to fall too but he played well and stopped a breakaway a couple of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 He does look a bit clueless when he receives the ball in the final third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 He's a limiting factor with his inability to cross or make anything happen going forward, this will only harm Wesley and our all round attacking threat. He has played well, by his standards, but we can do better with Targett who is much better going forward and hardly worse defensively. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 It would be easier if Taylor had played defensively badly in the last couple games. He hasnt, hes actually done very well defensively. Unfortunately Smith's system and the players we have require that positive forward playing mind set that is not natural to Taylor. When only 1 player is going down one side of the pitch and the fullback literally offers nothing such as crossing, overlapping or driving forwards, not only does it make the oppositions job a lot easier it makes us as a team far easier to defend against. I'm sure el ghazi is not happy having no options but to try and go it alone against 2 or more players the majority of the time hes on the ball. It also pulls our midfield out as they then have to give options, happened 3 or 4 times yesterday, big wes and all our midfielders got dragged out wide left and no one in the box. It's not an anti Taylor rant, its pointing out that the personel we used down the left to good effect last year is not working as well against better players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) Feels awful saying he has to be dropped, cause he has played fantastically well the last couple of matches (and it takes some growth saying that cause I've never thought Taylor was good enough, not even in the championship). And normally I'd say it's your shirt to lose, but unfortunately I think our attacking play is really suffering when we don't have attacking wing backs. Taylor and Elmo just aren't that good coming forward as Guilbert and Targett. Then again I am basing that upon preseason matches. Maybe they won't impress like that in the Prem. Edited August 18, 2019 by KenjiOgiwara 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 If Neil Taylor is the answer, then Dean Smith is asking the wrong question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 I didn't want Taylor being first choice this season on the basis that I don't think he's good enough. BUT He's been better in our first 2 Premier League games than he was pretty much all last season for me. Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keener window-cleaner Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 I think he was really good. A solid left back, careful in his passing, often found space to receive the ball in their half, didn't do anything wrong what I could see and nearly scored as well. Feels like he is getting some kind of scapegoat treatment at times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, Keener window-cleaner said: Feels like he is getting some kind of scapegoat treatment at times. It's because Hourihane didn't start 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted August 23, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) On 18/08/2019 at 20:26, bobzy said: I didn't want Taylor being first choice this season on the basis that I don't think he's good enough. BUT He's been better in our first 2 Premier League games than he was pretty much all last season for me. Bizarre. You’re right, I think if there was a ‘most improved’ player award so far Taylor would be winning it. Do you think he starts tonight with Coleman his opposite? That challenge and leg break did seem to really affect NT at the time, not sure his head would be right tonight. Edited August 23, 2019 by alreadyexists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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