Gareth Southgate

[bannedfromHandV]

They’re not coached well enough to press, at least not for England anyway.

The man’s fast becoming a joke, some climb down from the calls for a knighthood a couple of years back.

[Hank Scorpio]

It's an insane argument. Is he saying these elite level players and their clubs are not staying in the right shape?

So by his logic all those Italian, Spanish German players that play here should be struggling for their countries also. Doesn't seem the case. The common factor here is him.

[KentVillan]

On 21/06/2024 at 02:18, TheAuthority said:

I agree with everything everyone has said and I thought Southgate should have gone after the last tournament. Actually the way he treated Gresford showed he’s and arrogant, stubborn, small-minded, inept coach I would have gladly seen him gone before the last tournament.

The hysteria over the Phillips comment is quite amusing as if that was the worst thing he’s ever done. I can’t quite believe it but I am going to point out that he actually said, “We are missing a Kalvin Phillips” in the context of talking about it being an experiment. There isn’t a Kalvin Phillips type player in the squad, so Nobnose is right. But - FFS how many years have you had with these players to think of a plan B, C or D? What do you do the whole time apart from go to matches and eat free catering? Surely you’d try and learn something about actual tactics in your down time?

I heard when Southgate watches another man shag his wife, he sits in the corner wearing a condom.

Are Mainoo, Gallagher, and especially Wharton, really all that different in profile from Kalvin Phillips?

When I watch TAA try to play that role he just looks lost. The ball gets passed around him which means you miss out on the one thing he offers, which is amazing long passing.

Not that he’d have anyone to pass to though, because 3 of the front 4 want to drop in short / inside, instead of stretching the play.

So the whole thing has no coherence to it, which is classic Southgate. He’ll explain his thinking well enough to dupe the journos, but tactically his ideas are a mishmash of things that don’t hold together properly.

The great irony with Southgate is he often picks sides that would have done really well in another game against a different side. It’s like he’s playing paper rock scissors but always picking the wrong option.

For example, his obsession with 2 DMs and blocking up the midfield actually made sense against Denmark, who are strongest in central midfield, and weaker out wide. But then pick Wharton in there, who actually plays that role as a specialist.

The TAA experiment would make way more sense against a weaker midfield and if you put proper wingers up with Kane (Gordon on the left, Saka/Bowen on the right) and then TAA can ping quarterback balls out to the wings with Rice easily picking up all the DM responsibilities.

Kane dropping deep, Bellingham dropping deep, Foden moving inside … all these things can make sense in a horses for courses way. It’s just Southgate always picks the wrong horse for the wrong course.

[foreveryoung]

He'll loose the players this tournament. Kane seems to out up with it, but I'm sure Bellingham, Foden, Trent for example ain't gonna be made to look like they can't play football. 

No chance he can take this group to the world cup now. An when he does finally **** off, it'll feel better than him winning the trophy.  

Edited June 22 by foreveryoung

[Jonesy7211]

Snozgate throwing the players under the bus for not being fit enough. Like we're the only team at the Euro's who have included players that aren't totally match fit.

Smaller nations have players that don't play club football most weeks as they can't get in a first XI. Yet they can all still press as a team, it's a feature of the modern game. With every comment like this he makes the more he proves he's light years behind the foreign coaches. They're playing 4D chess whilst he's snookered playing draughts.

[Rds1983]

3 hours ago, Hank Scorpio said:

It's an insane argument. Is he saying these elite level players and their clubs are not staying in the right shape?

So by his logic all those Italian, Spanish German players that play here should be struggling for their countries also. Doesn't seem the case. The common factor here is him.

The idea that England can't win tournaments because our players are too tired from playing in the Premier League has been around for decades and has always annoyed me.

Only about 35% of the Premier League are English. Seems plenty of players from other nations have found ways to keep fit for summer tournaments.

[Rds1983]

5 hours ago, Genie said:

Worse than that, he is still adopting the same failed tactic of getting an early goal and then sitting back. It’s football suicide when Englands biggest strength is going forward, and biggest weakness is in defence.

This is why the next manager has to have some level of tactical ability and game management skills. 

We have the players to be flexible and adjust in games.

If he had the ability to change things during games, then we wouldn't have lost to Croatia or Italy. Their managers changed the games and won the matches.

[rodders0223]

Such a pitiful excuse of a man.

[foreveryoung]

11 minutes ago, Rds1983 said:

This is why the next manager has to have some level of tactical ability and game management skills. 

We have the players to be flexible and adjust in games.

If he had the ability to change things during games, then we wouldn't have lost to Croatia or Italy. Their managers changed the games and won the matches.

This is what I have always said. He can manage, although that's debatable lately, but coaching these days takes a tactical mind and a true winning mentality, both things Gareth is missing. He seems more bothered about the players being happy enough with warm milk on there cornflakes, gotta keep the group happy ennit. He coaches old skool, with no dynamics, kinda Rooneys style, which would probably not be too bad with a team like Stoke. But these players are the new generation, skillfull, footballing brains, which is probably the issue here. The players are far to good for Southgate.

[rodders0223]

Gareth isn't a coach, he's never been a coach. Steve Holland is the Beale of the operation and looks to be every bit a dinosaur as Garth trapped in 1998

[Tomaszk]

Honestly. I am loving it so much.

He's a disgrace. And it's all falling apart around him.

Imagine us against a well coached side like Austria. We'd get put down 3-0.

[foreveryoung]

I'm counting down the days till the next manager gets us to a final, or even win it, so they shut up about Southgate getting us to our first final in 50 odd years.

I really think Gerrard would have even done that in that tournament, easy run in, final at Wembley 

[Talldarkandransome]

7 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

I'm counting down the days till the next manager gets us to a final, or even win it, so they shut up about Southgate getting us to our first final in 50 odd years.

I really think Gerrard would have even done that in that tournament, easy run in, final at Wembley 

And without a replacement for Kalvin Philips

[Strog]

[stewiek2]

 

 

[mjmooney]

Southgate is England's most successful manager since 1966. 

He is also England's worst manager ever. 

Both of these things are true. 

He's Schrödinger's manager. 

[lapal_fan]

7 hours ago, mjmooney said:

Southgate is England's most successful manager since 1966. 

He is also England's worst manager ever. 

Both of these things are true. 

He's Schrödinger's manager. 

There's no success, we've won nothing.

It doesn't take 10 minutes to look at the tournaments he's led in, the teams he's faced, the results of those teams we've beat to determine that, in those games we edged everything because we had better personnel on a player-to-player basis and someone had to win the game.

He's a lucky bastard there haven't been any great teams like Spain in 2010s or Germany.  The Italy we went out too weren't a good Italian side at all, their stars were well into their late 30s at this point and we sat back against them and let them pick us apart after we scored a free kick or whatever it was.

We have a great selection of players to pick from and have done since big nose has got the job.

I can almost see him staring at the whiteboard and asking himself why Kane/Bellingham/Saka/Foden/Grealish don't dominate teams.  And it's squarely because of himself and his shit merry band of yes men and head nodders.

The man is stubborn, narcissistic, arrogant at the same time as being thick, naive and pitiful.

The ONLY thing he actually deserves credit for, is making players want to be a part of the squad, because pre him, any time a united, Chelsea or arsenal player didn't fancy it, they'd pull out.

But **** him, he's useless.

Edited June 23 by lapal_fan

[Tommo_b]

Funny thing is, if he wanted to press, and Kanes basically sitting on the half way line doing **** all. Bring on Watkins for 45 minutes, he will press, defend and score goals, quite possibly if given the chance he is the better option up front. 

Granted Kanes had a done well in his career with scoring goals, but also really over rated.

 

[foreveryoung]

It's simple tactics really, not rocket science. Kane scored goals for fun in that Bayern side because he had runners in midfield. Shockingly  we have one of the best attacking  midfields in world football, who could do all the hard work for Kanes lack of pace, an let him do what he does best up front, score goals.

I not sure why he cannot see this, is it because Southgates priority is defence over attack?

[villa4europe]

7 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

It's simple tactics really, not rocket science. Kane scored goals for fun in that Bayern side because he had runners in midfield. Shockingly  we have one of the best attacking  midfields in world football, who could do all the hard work for Kanes lack of pace, an let him do what he does best up front, score goals.

I not sure why he cannot see this, is it because Southgates priority is defence over attack?

Runners forward commits players up the pitch, he can't have that, too cautious 

Even at a really simple level, the simplest level imaginable, Southgate can't comprehend that if you've got a shit defence then the best thing to do is to keep the ball away from them, have the ball further up the pitch in possession, press higher up the pitch without possession, there's not a single top modern club manager who defends by compacting the middle and sitting deep, thats the epitome of dinosaur management and the arrogance of England fans and all that sorry but I am arrogant enough to say not a **** chance should England be playing like that Vs Serbia 

Edited June 23 by villa4europe