sheepyvillian Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 1 minute ago, Tomaszk said: I certainly wouldn't endorse it initially, but it won't be hard to be better than Southgate. I'm sure he can get England playing to the same level Southgate did. Please no! I don't want the same level as Southgate. We need a coach willing to play progressive football, especially with the talent on hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 (edited) 3 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: Please no! I don't want the same level as Southgate. We need a coach willing to play progressive football, especially with the talent on hand. Absolutely! That's what I'm saying. Any dickhead can get this squad to play to that level. We were atrocious in every game except the SF. If you get a lucky draw like Southgate has every single time, it's SF or Final without lifting a finger. Edited July 16 by Tomaszk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Live feed on the BBC with tributes and praise for Garth akin to a day of mourning. Has the world lost it's mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Best news this summer. I dont care what his record says, he's been the luckiest England manager I've ever known. And his performances rank pretty middle of the road alongside all the other poor managers we've ever had. He's done nothing special and I won't miss him for a second. Thank you Gareth for wasting two European Championship finals with your negative none tactics and general incompetence. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted July 16 Visiting Supporter Share Posted July 16 Right decision at the right time with most of the old guard gone and very good young players coming through. After watching post match interview I knew he was done. Some say being a lucky manager is a great trait to have. Without that Southgate would have been gone long ago! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Great time for a new manager, good young squad to start with. Definitely good for Ezri and Ollie. Should be good for JJ too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 31 minutes ago, coda said: Get Big Sam in An envelope stuffed with cash and a pint of wine is all that’s needed to convince him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted July 16 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16 Ding dong, the prat is gone! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: This sums him up, in my book. We not only got a lucky draw, he was bailed out again and again by wonder goals from nothing. "Go out there and with no coherent system boot one in with an xG of less than 1 in 10" isn't a strategy. He is an incredibly limited coach whose ability and record are almost completely at odds with each other. It's not that we just went out and played freely and created lots of opportunity for these "moments of magic" and the approach paid off, often these were the only attempts we even had, it was absolutely out of nothing. On paper, he's done an incredible job, but the stats and the eye test say otherwise. That tweet just shows how weak xG is as a measure of anything. The claim that 'relying on screamers' is 'unsustainable' is rather belied by the fact that something he thinks has a less than 1 in 20 chance of happening happened in 4 out of 6 matches. The claim is basically 'well it worked in reality, but it shouldn't have worked according to my model'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 6 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: That tweet just shows how weak xG is as a measure of anything. The claim that 'relying on screamers' is 'unsustainable' is rather belied by the fact that something he thinks has a less than 1 in 20 chance of happening happened in 4 out of 6 matches. The claim is basically 'well it worked in reality, but it shouldn't have worked according to my model'. It's highlighting that for it to win you a tournament you'll need 1 in a million levels of luck. Southgates luck extended to 1 in a few thousand maybe, but relying on it to win you a tournament is a waste of everyone's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 7 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: That tweet just shows how weak xG is as a measure of anything. The claim that 'relying on screamers' is 'unsustainable' is rather belied by the fact that something he thinks has a less than 1 in 20 chance of happening happened in 4 out of 6 matches. The claim is basically 'well it worked in reality, but it shouldn't have worked according to my model'. I'm not sure that it stands up to reason that the odds of any individual opportunity being statistically unlikely is undermined by the fact that several individually unlikely things occurred over a period of time. After all, people win the lottery quite often 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted July 16 Popular Post Share Posted July 16 Just now, MrBlack said: It's highlighting that for it to win you a tournament you'll need 1 in a million levels of luck. Southgates luck extended to 1 in a few thousand maybe, but relying on it to win you a tournament is a waste of everyone's time. Rubbish. We got to the final, and if a header had gone slightly to the side of where Dani Olmo was standing that could have gone to extra time. 'One in a few thousand', do me a favour. Don't take up work as bookie would be my career advice. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: I'm not sure that it stands up to reason that the odds of any individual opportunity being statistically unlikely is undermined by the fact that several individually unlikely things occurred over a period of time. After all, people win the lottery quite often It tells you that it is not 'unsustainable', per the tweet. It was sustained throughout an entire tournament, from the first to last game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 16 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16 11 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: That tweet just shows how weak xG is as a measure of anything. The claim that 'relying on screamers' is 'unsustainable' is rather belied by the fact that something he thinks has a less than 1 in 20 chance of happening happened in 4 out of 6 matches. The claim is basically 'well it worked in reality, but it shouldn't have worked according to my model'. That's not what it's saying though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: It tells you that it is not 'unsustainable', per the tweet. It was sustained throughout an entire tournament, from the first to last game! I also don't think you can say that things are sustainable, a good approach, or the likely outcome just because they happened, but I'm just arguing the toss at this point Where I think xG does fall down in this particular regard is that it's a measure of how likely a chance is to go in taken from that position, by the average player. Saka, Bellingham, and Watkins aren't the average player, and I'd wager if you put Ollie in that spot he's scoring it more than 6 times out of a hundred. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 16 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16 xG is one of the worst things to happen to the game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted July 16 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16 Southgate to Gerrard would be so ridiculous I'd laugh like a drain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 52 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Absolutely! That's what I'm saying. Any dickhead can get this squad to play to that level. We were atrocious in every game except the SF. Even then it was only until half time. We went back to shit in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 9 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Rubbish. We got to the final, and if a header had gone slightly to the side of where Dani Olmo was standing that could have gone to extra time. 'One in a few thousand', do me a favour. Don't take up work as bookie would be my career advice. I'd have the same advice to you if you think that a low percentage approach to football is a way to win tournaments. What odds would you give England of winning with that style of play, because it hadn't happened for decades before, and still hasn't happened despite 8 years of Southgate trying his low percentage approach to games. Take Emery's approach which is all about creating high probability chances by drawing opposition out of position and getting the ball into the spaces that creates. Certainly worked well over the course of a season for Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 16 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16 6 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I also don't think you can say that things are sustainable, a good approach, or the likely outcome just because they happened, but I'm just arguing the toss at this point Where I think xG does fall down in this particular regard is that it's a measure of how likely a chance is to go in taken from that position, by the average player. Saka, Bellingham, and Watkins aren't the average player, and I'd wager if you put Ollie in that spot he's scoring it more than 6 times out of a hundred. No, that's exactly why xG works. Because it is a benchmark for the average player. If you tailored it to individuals (those stats do exist) then it actually would be meaningless. xG is not a predictor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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