Are we on the verge of World War III ?

[Kingman]

BREAKING: North Korea readies HYDROGEN BOMB as Kim Jong-un 'watches its loading into ICBM'

North Korea has said it has developed a more advanced nuclear weapon that has "great destructive power” amidWorld War 3 fears.

Kim Jong-un’s state media mouthpiece NCNA declared the hydrogen bomb's power is adjustable to hundreds of kilotons and can be detonated at high altitudes.

It also boasted that these latest components would allow the country to build as many nuclear weapons as it wants.

KCNA reported: “Kim Jong-un said he felt the pride at the indomitably bolstering up of [North Korea’s] nuclear forces despite a great price as he watched the Juche-oriented thermonuclear weapon with super explosive power made by our own efforts and technology.

“He expressed great satisfaction over the fact that our scientists can do anything without fail if the party is determined to do. 

https://www.google.com.mx/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/849367/north-korea-war-threat-kim-jong-un-watch-hydrogen-h-bomb-load-ballistic-missile-ICBM/amp 

 

[Chindie]

Unless North Korea has made technological advancements beyond every nation on the planet they can't make as many nuclear weapons as they want because they don't have unlimited supplies of fissile material.

It's also yet to be established that they have a nuclear device capable of being launched on a missile. So far they've only achieved detonation on stationary examples, which is basically useless offensively, and demonstrated an (admittedly unexpectedly advanced) ICBM which has questionable reliability.

The increasing rhetoric will eventually be futile for them, as they eventually will poke the US enough to have the US have to back up its strengths to prove it isn't a paper tiger, and for the threat to the South to be overridden by the threat to the US and it's standing. It'll be a monumentally stupid move on both sides, as Kim and his power base would be a shouldering crater in hours and it would unleash the worst refugee crisis ever seen and shatter US China relations. But eventually the rhetoric will force it.

Edited September 3, 2017 by Chindie

[snowychap]

Who cares?

[Brumerican]

Wile. E . Coyote was always trying to develop better WMD's and it rarely turned out well for him .

[Amsterdam_Neil_D]

40 minutes ago, Brumerican said:

Wile. E . Coyote was always trying to develop better WMD's and it rarely turned out well for him .

Spot on there mate,  it did not go well at all.  There's a lesson somewhere within that for us all I think ?

In many ways when the "ACME" loyalty card landed on the carpet in the "Coyote" residense it was both a blessing and curse for the family in question. 

Yes the bread(or bird in this case) winner of the house had regular work due to the quite unbleliavble delivery times of aformetioned company but he did on occasion arrive home with some "Bumps and Bruises" and the table was unfortunatley empty on more than one occasion. 

Edited September 3, 2017 by Amsterdam_Neil_D

[Genie]

8 hours ago, Chindie said:

Unless North Korea has made technological advancements beyond every nation on the planet they can't make as many nuclear weapons as they want because they don't have unlimited supplies of fissile material.

It's also yet to be established that they have a nuclear device capable of being launched on a missile. So far they've only achieved detonation on stationary examples, which is basically useless offensively, and demonstrated an (admittedly unexpectedly advanced) ICBM which has questionable reliability.

The increasing rhetoric will eventually be futile for them, as they eventually will poke the US enough to have the US have to back up its strengths to prove it isn't a paper tiger, and for the threat to the South to be overridden by the threat to the US and it's standing. It'll be a monumentally stupid move on both sides, as Kim and his power base would be a shouldering crater in hours and it would unleash the worst refugee crisis ever seen and shatter US China relations. But eventually the rhetoric will force it.

Not to mention the army of those loyal to Kim Jon Un plotting revenge against the west very much like those fellas in Iraq / Afghanistan long after KJU has been blown to pieces.

[Chindie]

It should also be said that last night's test doesn't really change the situation. North Korea having a hydrogen bomb capability now is in real terms little different from them having a 'standard' atomic capability, it just means they've made technological advancements. A WMD is a WMD, whether it can flatten a small city or a large one. The same problems exist now that existed yesterday.

They're not easily solvable. Which means North Korea can more or less act with impunity and no-one will stop them, until someone is prepared to do something very stupid. 

[Xela]

What is North Korea's end goal here? 

[wazzap24]

3 minutes ago, Xela said:

What is North Korea's end goal here? 

Basically, I think the poster child for early onset Gout, diabetes and shit haircuts, just wants an apology from the nasty people who made 'Team America' and 'The interview'. Either that or world domination. 

[Xela]

I want an apology for having to watch The Interview as well! 

[chrisp65]

4 minutes ago, Xela said:

What is North Korea's end goal here? 

The ruling class want to retain power, same as anywhere else.

The difference being, I guess, that they are running a medieval country and currently have absolute power. They don't want to give that up, they also don't want the personal consequences of losing it and either being hunted down and strung up from trees, or hunted down and put on international trial.

For many in the middle, it's about preserving the edge you have over people poorer than you, and not being disappeared. Fear of fear.

For the vast uneducated brainwashed majority, they just don't know any different. If a million people decided to walk south, Kim couldn't stop them.  

 

[wazzap24]

5 minutes ago, Xela said:

I want an apology for having to watch The Interview as well! 

I loved it, thought it was so bad it was funny. 

Not enough Danny Dyer in it for you 

[Chindie]

13 minutes ago, Xela said:

What is North Korea's end goal here? 

Continued existence.

The nukes are a shield. Kim and his powerbase is protected by the threat of immense retaliation, so should the Yanks ever decide to cash in most of Seoul and their relationship with China to remove Kim, they now also have to consider they could well also risk their own people in doing so.

[maqroll]

List of potential WW3 "Axis and Allies", just for shits and giggles-

Axis:

Russia

China

Pakistan

North Korea

Iran

Syria

Allies:

USA

UK

Canada

Japan

France

Australia

Poland

India

NATO

This assumes China and Russia are willing to team up, and if Pakistan is willing to bite the hand that has fed them...Other questions would be where would Turkey come down on this, and the same for Jordan, Egypt, Serbia?

 

 

 

 

[Demitri_C]

4 hours ago, maqroll said:

List of potential WW3 "Axis and Allies", just for shits and giggles-

Axis:

Russia

China

Pakistan

North Korea

Iran

Syria

Allies:

USA

UK

Canada

Japan

France

Australia

Poland

India

NATO

This assumes China and Russia are willing to team up, and if Pakistan is willing to bite the hand that has fed them...Other questions would be where would Turkey come down on this, and the same for Jordan, Egypt, Serbia?

 

 

 

 

Turkey woukd join the russians id imagine. They have had falling outs with germany, holland, the us and the eu. They seem ti have made up with putin after shooting down one of their planes which i am sulrised putin let slide

[Xela]

22 hours ago, wazzap24 said:

I loved it, thought it was so bad it was funny. 

Not enough Danny Dyer in it for you 

[peterms]

Chomsky on N Korea

 

[turnbull]

That missile NK launched at Japan missed by bloody miles, so I think we'll be okay.

[Daweii]

1 hour ago, turnbull said:

That missile NK launched at Japan missed by bloody miles, so I think we'll be okay.

It was meant to miss it was a test showing just how confident they are that their missiles won't fall short anymore. When they were aiming at the Ocean with nothing to hit but water it was okay if it fell short as they had planned for failure, but when you aim beyond a landmass in a test you have absolute confidence it's going make it. I mean a test is one thing, but testing something where failure is potentially dropping a missile on a Country? They hit the bit of Ocean they wanted to hit no doubt about it.

[peterms]

36 minutes ago, Daweii said:

It was meant to miss it was a test showing just how confident they are that their missiles won't fall short anymore. When they were aiming at the Ocean with nothing to hit but water it was okay if it fell short as they had planned for failure, but when you aim beyond a landmass in a test you have absolute confidence it's going make it. I mean a test is one thing, but testing something where failure is potentially dropping a missile on a Country? They hit the bit of Ocean they wanted to hit no doubt about it.

Whoosh...

Like the missile, I think that one went over the head.