markavfc40 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 27 minutes ago, mykeyb said: Didn't help that apart from losing Kodja, the club then sold Yesterday. Not the greatest player but ironically one that could be of use now. In fairness mate I think he was past it by at least a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 14 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: I don't blame them I think Yesterday was finished. The future is tomorrow........ Not sure how I got into that quote, but i didn't type that. lol. Sorcery? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, srsmithusa said: just shows that the excuses given why Bruce couldn't realistically get us to promotion last year were nonsense. How do you make that deduction.....circumstances were not identical. Edited September 5, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, Eastie said: Had we finished top 10 I think he would have done an ok job last season - I agree 13th was underperforming . So 3 places represent such a change in appraisal? Edited September 5, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) We need a game and a win, badly. Edited September 5, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 58 minutes ago, TRO said: How do you make that deduction.....circumstances were not identical. Circumstances are NEVER identical. But they are often applicable, otherwise 4 promotions wouldn't matter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, TRO said: So 3 places represent such a change in appraisal? Of course it does , should we finish 5th or 8th ? 5th or 2nd ? In this case promotion was not affected but to be in 8th place on Dec 28th and finish in 13 th place with the squad and money Bruce had at his disposal is not acceptable or ok. I was prepared to give him the chance and back him to go again this season and see how we progressed but have been hugely disappointed so far . i hoped given a pre season he would have got his act together and started the season on the front foot with a chosen formation and settled best line up - he seems to not have a clue how to play or who to play . We have made a poor start this season and are already 10 points off the top after just 5 games - he needs results - consistently and fast !!!! i judge Steve Bruce on results not excuses! Edited September 6, 2017 by Eastie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 20 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Did Bruce really say he had to balance the books this summer. So what the hell was he doing with his spending in January! I try to defend Bruce but he really does chat shit at times. He rolled the dice in January, signed one of the top scorers and two of the most creative midfielders, it's really not rocket science to understand it. They didn't / haven't worked out, hindsight, as ever is a great thing. Like Bruce, I remember everyone (and I mean everyone) else being excited with those signings so seems petty to now use it as another stick with which to beat him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vreitti Posted September 6, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2017 9 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: He rolled the dice in January, signed one of the top scorers and two of the most creative midfielders, it's really not rocket science to understand it. They didn't / haven't worked out, hindsight, as ever is a great thing. Like Bruce, I remember everyone (and I mean everyone) else being excited with those signings so seems petty to now use it as another stick with which to beat him. Absolutely, the signings were indeed exciting, and I don't think anyone can begrudge Bruce for them as such. His usage of said signings on the other hand is an altogether different issue, and where he's failed miserably imho. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 20 minutes ago, vreitti said: Absolutely, the signings were indeed exciting, and I don't think anyone can begrudge Bruce for them as such. His usage of said signings on the other hand is an altogether different issue, and where he's failed miserably imho. His usage? What, by playing Hogan up front and Lansbury/Hourihane in midfield? Maybe he should have used them as a 3-at-the-back instead and pushed Mark Bunn up front? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 41 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: He rolled the dice in January, signed one of the top scorers and two of the most creative midfielders, it's really not rocket science to understand it. They didn't / haven't worked out, hindsight, as ever is a great thing. Like Bruce, I remember everyone (and I mean everyone) else being excited with those signings so seems petty to now use it as another stick with which to beat him. I think you may have misunderstood my post. The signing made sense and I was excited by them. But they were also expensive so I don't think he should now be acting like he is doing the club a favour with his transfer activity by balancing the books. You can't spend 20m odd in Jan window as a championship club and then say you are cleaning up the mess 8 months later. As I said I don't really care about what managers have to say but I think he should really focus on the football side of things in his interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sne Posted September 6, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: His usage? What, by playing Hogan up front and Lansbury/Hourihane in midfield? Maybe he should have used them as a 3-at-the-back instead and pushed Mark Bunn up front? Probably referring to Lansbury being played much deeper than he was at his previous club. Hourihane being benched in favor of Bacuna and if played, once again played much deeper than at his previous club. Hogan being benched in favor of Gabby and if played used as an isolated target man, something he is obviously not suited to. But you already know that was what he meant. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post omariqy Posted September 6, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2017 8 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: His usage? What, by playing Hogan up front and Lansbury/Hourihane in midfield? Maybe he should have used them as a 3-at-the-back instead and pushed Mark Bunn up front? Actually it's not that simple. He played Lansbury and Hourihane for a lot of the time in a midfield two playing them quite deep. His tactics also isolated Hogan up front where he had no midfield close to him or indeed any service. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: His usage? What, by playing Hogan up front and Lansbury/Hourihane in midfield? Maybe he should have used them as a 3-at-the-back instead and pushed Mark Bunn up front? Well it's not really that simple is it? Formations and tactics make a difference. Obviously I do not have any real insight into these matters, and can't say for certain what instructions players have received, etc., yet it's quite clear we've performed poorly, especially these players. I don't buy into the notion that it's mostly the players fault, as some on here do. These players were all top performers at their previous clubs, and frankly as far as I'm concerned Bruce just hasn't been able to integrate them and get the best out of them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 37 minutes ago, vreitti said: Absolutely, the signings were indeed exciting, and I don't think anyone can begrudge Bruce for them as such. His usage of said signings on the other hand is an altogether different issue, and where he's failed miserably imho. 'Usage". I think this word hits the nail on the head. It begs the question whether they were Round's signings, because surely Bruce would have known that they weren't suited to 'Brucie' football. Since these players were signed he has only once picked the right team and shape to get the best out of of them. Even then by his own admission that was not his choice, it was because of injuries to his usual selections. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 hour ago, sne said: Probably referring to Lansbury being played much deeper than he was at his previous club. Hourihane being benched in favor of Bacuna and if played, once again played much deeper than at his previous club. Hogan being benched in favor of Gabby and if played used as an isolated target man, something he is obviously not suited to. But you already know that was what he meant. No, I didn't. All 3 were given chances, none impressed, in fact bar the odd performance (Hourihane hattrick obvs) the three remain largely unimpressive. Asking a midfielder to play in midfield shouldn't be that alien a concept, whether you're asked to play 10 yards in front of the halfway line or 10 yards behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 26 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: No, I didn't. All 3 were given chances, none impressed, in fact bar the odd performance (Hourihane hattrick obvs) the three remain largely unimpressive. Asking a midfielder to play in midfield shouldn't be that alien a concept, whether you're asked to play 10 yards in front of the halfway line or 10 yards behind it. Fair enough. For me that's a bit like saying all pieces of a puzzle should fit in any given place because they are roughly the same. But I imagine Bruce agrees with you. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 14 hours ago, TRO said: We need a game and a win, badly. Well you will get AT LEAST half of your wish granted on Saturday 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 7 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: He rolled the dice in January, signed one of the top scorers and two of the most creative midfielders, it's really not rocket science to understand it. They didn't / haven't worked out, hindsight, as ever is a great thing. Like Bruce, I remember everyone (and I mean everyone) else being excited with those signings so seems petty to now use it as another stick with which to beat him. I think where the disparity comes in this I blame him indirectly for the form of his players and I guess you do to Others who criticise him more....blame him directly. I understand that a manager has to be responsible for his players, particularly those he signs, I also understand that he is responsible for setting them up/blending them etc. but he can't go on the pitch and do it for them. In terms of Blame there has to be a distinction of sorts.....Managers are ultimately responsible, but players are also responsible for their actions on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 4 hours ago, sne said: Fair enough. For me that's a bit like saying all pieces of a puzzle should fit in any given place because they are roughly the same. But I imagine Bruce agrees with you. If he does, great I'd take far more value in being in league with someone with 40 odd years experience in football versus a bunch of internet forum members. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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