TRO Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dave J said: Your right to a degree TRO - it just becomes a little tainted when it's someone earning thousands of ££ a week and still takes cheap shots at the people contributing to that ££ imo and I think his comments are regretful and ill advised. but he is Human Dave and he is defending his position, albeit not well advised against customers ( If I may technically call us that) I have said many times.....We reserve the right to express our dissatisfaction with the spectacle of play....but some of us are attacking him personally. He is responsible for what we see....whether that is directly of indirectly.....but it is pointless in attacking the bloke with our frustrations, when he shares them. We need to be in the top 2.....He wants to be in the top 2. The owners will deal with things in the appropriate manner. Edited September 20, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hoof hearted Posted September 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, TRO said: and I think his comments are regretful and ill advised. but he is Human Dave and he is defending his position, albeit not well advised against customers ( If I may technically call us that) I have said many times.....We reserve the right to express our dissatisfaction with the spectacle of play....but some of us are attacking him personally. He is responsible for what we see....whether that is directly of indirectly.....but it is pointless in attacking the bloke with our frustrations, when he shares them. We need to be in the top 2.....He wants to be in the top 2. The owners will deal with things in the appropriate manner. Most of us are attacking him because the football offered up is dross and he has no plan A let alone plans B and C in fairness TRO The fact he looks like a melting Santa Claus has nothing to do with it! 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 48 minutes ago, TRO said: Ha Ha what is a "reasonably" tongue in cheek.....did you mean a " reluctant" tongue in cheek? If I was sitting with Steve Bruce's entourage, I have wasted my season ticket money on the Mrs and me as I sit now, in the Doug Ellis. However, We may all glean some diplomacy from a 14 year old lad who is clearly a gentleman, allegedly not a Bruce Fan, but according to our fellow poster AV1 who is his dad, declared while having his shirt signed by " The great Man" to use your words....came to his defence when passing fans made sarcastic remarks.....I understand he said words to the effect of " Ignore them boss, your doing a good job".....Quite a powerful statement from a lad who has no particular fondness for his management....but his awareness of protocol and diplomacy, is certainly not lost on him....We could all do well to get a lesson from him. Further, Than that Dave.....I would bet my last dime.....If all the anti Bruce critics actually met him, you could count on one hand how many would be true to the tone of their posts. I think its fair to say, that the owners restructuring has surfaced and is being rolled out and that could easily include the manager at some stage.....but VT posts or protesting, will only put dubious thoughts in their minds of what kind of fanbase they have. They have their own agenda. I think you will get your wish, all in good time...….lets be supportive and respectful in the meantime. just remember, even when folk fail, they still might be doing their best from their point of view. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, TRO said: Ha Ha what is a "reasonably" tongue in cheek.....did you mean a " reluctant" tongue in cheek? If I was sitting with Steve Bruce's entourage, I have wasted my season ticket money on the Mrs and me as I sit now, in the Doug Ellis. However, We may all glean some diplomacy from a 14 year old lad who is clearly a gentleman, allegedly not a Bruce Fan, but according to our fellow poster AV1 who is his dad, declared while having his shirt signed by " The great Man" to use your words....came to his defence when passing fans made sarcastic remarks.....I understand he said words to the effect of " Ignore them boss, your doing a good job".....Quite a powerful statement from a lad who has no particular fondness for his management....but his awareness of protocol and diplomacy, is certainly not lost on him....We could all do well to get a lesson from him. Further, Than that Dave.....I would bet my last dime.....If all the anti Bruce critics actually met him, you could count on one hand how many would be true to the tone of their posts. I think its fair to say, that the owners restructuring has surfaced and is being rolled out and that could easily include the manager at some stage.....but VT posts or protesting, will only put dubious thoughts in their minds of what kind of fanbase they have. They have their own agenda. I think you will get your wish, all in good time...….lets be supportive and respectful in the meantime. just remember, even when folk fail, they still might be doing their best from their point of view. By the tone of your post you seem to imply that I have been personally abusive in comments about Steve Bruce. Critical of him yes, occasionally mocking again guilty. But never abusive. I’ve lived my life in a blokey working environment and believe me VT, even at it’s most vitriolic, isn’t even close to what I’d call abusive, even if at times I think people go to far and in doing so miss the point. I also think that despite his sometimes petulant and defensive post match comments, the views of fans, the press, commentators all come with the job and are water of a ducks back to a bloke who’s been around as long as him. If I sat and had a pint with Steve Bruce I’m pretty sure it would be a very lovely experience. I’m sure I wouldn’t be able to resist making my point, but after so many years in the game I’m sure he’d win most arguments, it is his job after all. I’ve never been personally abusive to any Villa manager or player. Some I’ve loved some I’ve been less impressed by. I also found AV1’s story about his son both up lifting as well as a credit to the lad and his parents. It made me proud to be a Villa fan. Once again TRO, I don’t really think you sit with Steve Bruce’s family. May peace continue to soothe your lion hearted soul brother. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicVillan Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: Once again TRO, I don’t really think you sit with Steve Bruce’s family. I do. They have the box in the Trinity next to the one we get invited to sometimes. Nice people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 2 hours ago, TRO said: and I think his comments are regretful and ill advised. but he is Human Dave and he is defending his position, albeit not well advised against customers ( If I may technically call us that) I have said many times.....We reserve the right to express our dissatisfaction with the spectacle of play....but some of us are attacking him personally. He is responsible for what we see....whether that is directly of indirectly.....but it is pointless in attacking the bloke with our frustrations, when he shares them. We need to be in the top 2.....He wants to be in the top 2. The owners will deal with things in the appropriate manner. Sorry TRO I disagree - when it comes to cheap shots at your own fans you have crossed a line imo - and I don't think he is referring to personal comments about himself anyway - I believe he is having a go at fans who criticise his managerial skills - TRO sorry to repeat myself but this guy needs to understand that until he delivers us a return to the premier league - he will always be one game away from a crisis - if he can't take this - well then I'm afraid he needs to ship out and let someone who gets Aston Villa take his place 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 2 hours ago, CosmicVillan said: I do. They have the box in the Trinity next to the one we get invited to sometimes. Nice people. So can you confirm once and for all that you’ve never seen TRO in there? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) Great to see a failing structure getting replaced, Bruce up next I hope. Edited September 20, 2018 by Dr_Pangloss 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 33 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Great to see a failing structure getting replaced, Bruce up next I hope. it hasnt been replaced. dismantled, yes....replaced , not yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Fire them all!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 24 minutes ago, hippo said: it hasnt been replaced. dismantled, yes....replaced , not yet Good point and it will be interesting to watch the rebuild unfold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieGriffin Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Moxleys article is interesting. Bruce's mate basically suggesting there's not much support from the owners/Purslow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) Interesting that so many on the recruitment side have gone. If they DID have a big say in who we signed, then why remove them ( unless the owners don’t approve of who weve signed - unlikely ?)........if they have been removed because they aren’t needed - were they needed a couple of weeks ago ?........or has somebody else been key to who we’ve brought in ? I certainly can’t see how you can remove the scouting staff unless you know what’s replacing it ? Edited September 20, 2018 by terrytini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 45 minutes ago, terrytini said: Interesting that so many on the recruitment side have gone. If they DID have a big say in who we signed, then why remove them ( unless the owners don’t approve of who weve signed - unlikely ?)........if they have been removed because they aren’t needed - were they needed a couple of weeks ago ?........or has somebody else been key to who we’ve brought in ? I certainly can’t see how you can remove the scouting staff unless you know what’s replacing it ? I agree, everything the new owners have done so far, appears, from the outside anyway, to be quite measured and working to a plan. So assuming that they’re not completely bonkers and think we can operate without some sort of scouting system, then there must be a plan to replace them. Although assuming sanity when considering the actions of Villa owners, hasn’t always been a particularly successful default position in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted September 20, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, terrytini said: Interesting that so many on the recruitment side have gone. If they DID have a big say in who we signed, then why remove them ( unless the owners don’t approve of who weve signed - unlikely ?)........if they have been removed because they aren’t needed - were they needed a couple of weeks ago ?........or has somebody else been key to who we’ve brought in ? I certainly can’t see how you can remove the scouting staff unless you know what’s replacing it ? I heard everyone that was fired was involved in Bacuna signing for us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpotvilla Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 2 hours ago, StewieGriffin said: Moxleys article is interesting. Bruce's mate basically suggesting there's not much support from the owners/Purslow... I can absolutely tell you that is not true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 24 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: I heard everyone that was fired was involved in Bacuna signing for us... That's quite sad to hear, considering this guy must have some severe Eye disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 47 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: I heard everyone that was fired was involved in Bacuna signing for us... No let me assure you it was for signing Gabby as a kid - oh how I'd love to give them a piece of my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Regarding fan criticism. I asked Paul Faulkner once if criticism from the fans bothered him (and IMO he endured as many or more personal attacks on VT as Steve Bruce has.) He essentially said. “You can’t let it bother you. It means the fans are passionate. It’s that passion that keeps the entire sport succcessful, so you learn to be grateful for the passion and the energy and realize they want Villa to succeed.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reivax_Villa Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I wonder Bruce not backing the recruitment team was part of him saving himself? Interestingly enough he had disagreements with foreign recommendations from the other scouts maybe he is pointing the finger to them in why we did not sign that CB from Le Harve. As Neil Moxely said, Quote "For instance, how would Purslow, installed in the position only late last month, know the good, bad and indifferent in Villa's recruitment team, particularly as the last window has only just closed". https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-re-13279346 Something interesting is happening at the moment. Bruce is desperate to keep his job because he knows how damaging managing this club unsuccessfully would have on his career. I still think the management will wield the axe, but i am presuming this will be done once we have a technical director and we have a run of bad form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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