terrytini Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 29 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: This dispute about did we set up defensively. I suggest watching the first - half of our most important game of the season, if anyone has any doubts about the way Bruce wants his team's to play. It must be one of the most inept first - half performances in a play-off final ever. When you realise the consequences of that defeat, it makes the way we approached that game totally incomprehensible. Unforgivable, as far as I'm concerned. I want a manager who is prepared to send us out to play on the front foot from the first minute, especially against opposition, who are considered inferior to us. It still riles me how a club the size of Fulham were shown so much respect by our players . Why would you allow the opposition to just stroke the ball around like they did in that first - half ? Where was the intensity and will to dominate the game. All that so called experience, and where did it go ? AWOL. I agree as regards that game, and half a dozen others.....too cautious....and I think it cost us. ( but who knows, maybe we’d have been even worse had we done things differently ) But not as a rule, in my view. Anyway. Gone now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, penguin said: Maybe I'm misreading the tone of your post but my point is obviously not that's we'd have gone up with a shitter team. What I do think is that he has a ceiling and increasing the quality of the squad beyond a certain level and you start getting exponentially diminishing returns. He's good at creating defensively solid teams who take very little risks and instead try and grind out results, which could be exactly what we need next year if we have any promotion aspirations with a weaker team than this year. He's not the ideal tactician for a side who are favourites most games and have one of the best squads in the league though, as we've seen this year imo. No don't worry, I'm just being facetious, or a faeces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 So is he going or staying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: So is he going or staying? 50-50? I myself would guess that he will be staying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 hours ago, penguin said: Couple of weeks ago I'd have been really happy about him going but it really could be out of the frying pan and into the fire. Especially with our team almost certainly going to be weakened next year, he is a master at achieving promotion with bang average teams. But shit at doing it with good ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 What winds me up about Bruce is how he seems to think he had to try and get us promoted on a budget. It’s almost like the 22 million he spent on players in January never happened. I doubt we’ll be spending 22M in a transfer window in years to come. Anyway this discussion has been done to death. I just got reminded of his spending by a MOM article. I’d prefer him gone. Next season will be too tough for him. The Mass hysteria would be too much for him to handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 12, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Keener window-cleaner said: It does count, but that statistics confirm that we played defensively in most games. No it doesn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 12, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Dave J said: Whatever title you give it and that's totally fine by me - we were pretty turgid on many occasions imo Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Sadly the stats around goals scored proves our inconsistency, which is one of the main reasons why we failed to get promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Won't be surprised if he walks and goes to Leeds as he knows he ain't getting us promoted next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Just now, mykeyb said: Won't be surprised if he walks and goes to Leeds as he knows he ain't getting us promoted next season Wishful thinking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, mykeyb said: Won't be surprised if he walks and goes to Leeds as he knows he ain't getting us promoted next season They are probably waiting for us to sack him so they won't have to pay compo, we are probably waiting for them to buy him out so we don't have to pay compo. Hopefully they crack first. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 4 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: This dispute about did we set up defensively. I suggest watching the first - half of our most important game of the season, if anyone has any doubts about the way Bruce wants his team's to play. It must be one of the most inept first - half performances in a play-off final ever. When you realise the consequences of that defeat, it makes the way we approached that game totally incomprehensible. Unforgivable, as far as I'm concerned. I want a manager who is prepared to send us out to play on the front foot from the first minute, especially against opposition, who are considered inferior to us. It still riles me how a club the size of Fulham were shown so much respect by our players . Why would you allow the opposition to just stroke the ball around like they did in that first - half ? Where was the intensity and will to dominate the game. All that so called experience, and where did it go ? AWOL. Garbage for 90% matches this season. Everything enjoyable came through Jack Grealish. Real cack. Some refuse to see it. That's OK, people enjoy different things. I honestly cba another season of Steve Bruce. What a shame this financial mess has meant we can't sack him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 13, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2018 8 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Garbage for 90% matches this season. Everything enjoyable came through Jack Grealish. Real cack. Some refuse to see it. That's OK, people enjoy different things. I honestly cba another season of Steve Bruce. What a shame this financial mess has meant we can't sack him. Yeah. Some refuse to see it. Or, you know, some have a different opinion than you? We have been turgid at times. We've also been excellent at times. I'd suggest the majority of the time we've been decent. It wasn't good enough in the end, but the talk of hoofball and awful football is vastly exaggerated. I've said before, but I think people fail to adjust their footballing expectations to match the league we're in. Relative to the Championship, the football we play is pretty good. I imagine 20 ish teams in this league wish they played the football we do (did). I'm happy to see Bruce leave, assuming there's a good candidate to replace him (that's another story). But if people are expecting us to suddenly vastly improve our playing style then they're going to be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Looks like he's staying - see express article posted in Tony Xia and Grealish thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 34 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Yeah. Some refuse to see it. Or, you know, some have a different opinion than you? We have been turgid at times. We've also been excellent at times. I'd suggest the majority of the time we've been decent. It wasn't good enough in the end, but the talk of hoofball and awful football is vastly exaggerated. I've said before, but I think people fail to adjust their footballing expectations to match the league we're in. Relative to the Championship, the football we play is pretty good. I imagine 20 ish teams in this league wish they played the football we do (did). I'm happy to see Bruce leave, assuming there's a good candidate to replace him (that's another story). But if people are expecting us to suddenly vastly improve our playing style then they're going to be disappointed. Well that is very clearly not the case in my humble opinion - let's say McCarthy got the gig - in this instance you would most likely be correct - if someone like Tony Mowbray or the Cowley bro's or even Lee Johnson got the gig then the fayre on offer would be very different again in my opinion - and for the record I am not endorsing the names I put forward here ( at least not for a while ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 13, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2018 37 minutes ago, Dave J said: Well that is very clearly not the case in my humble opinion - let's say McCarthy got the gig - in this instance you would most likely be correct - if someone like Tony Mowbray or the Cowley bro's or even Lee Johnson got the gig then the fayre on offer would be very different again in my opinion - and for the record I am not endorsing the names I put forward here ( at least not for a while ) Wow. If you're expecting improvement with those names you're in for a big disappointment. This is exactly why sacking Bruce might not be the great decision everybody thinks it will be. If those are the kind of replacements we can expect then we're ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpotvilla Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I think it's pretty clear Bruce is staying put.I don't think we have the funds to sack him anyway. It is said that he has been given assurances regarding transfer budget and as I have said all along Xia does not want to contemplate selling Jack. if the sums add up we probably won't be too badly off come Aug 4. Here's hoping!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Bruce staying is what we need. We need new players to come in to a settled environment, not a complete tear down and start over. I think we'll see the benefit of stability this season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted June 13, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2018 I’m fairly undecided/uncertain on him. Broadly speaking, the more of the squad we retain, the more inclined I am that we stick with him. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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