Only2McInallys Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 We narrowly missed out on promotion .Bruce effectively constructed a brand new team which at times played some extremely effective football .Is this the time to scrap the good things of this season and start again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 1, 2018 Author Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, tinker said: It didn't work well enough for him to meet his objectives, we spent more money than any other team in the division in an attempt to guarantee promotion, the tactic failed because he strenghthed in areas we didn't need to. I'm not advocating changing him for the sake of it , we need a bright forward thinking manager who has a proven record of getting the most out of a group of players, he may come from a lower division or another country but with the right scouting network we should have these types of managers in our sites. On the subject of management selection I would like to have a look at the due diligence took out on Bruce , because as far as I'm concerned we got what most people expected, well short of the return you would have expected with the squad we had . I'm hoping Xia is finding the right manager and keeping his options open should one not be available. If hes going into next season with Bruce and a group of players Bruce doesn't rate then the writing is on the wall for at least another season . UTV No we didn't why do people keep saying this. We spent big under di matteo. Under bruce he spent above average in janaury and then spent low on transfer fees last summer and Jan window. He was just giving loans and wages to play with and I feel it utilised that well for the promotion plan but we tell short just. It really does depend who xia wants. I can't see many better than bruce that ate attainable to be honest. All these fancy international coaches with zero championship experience is a gamble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water" is the most poignant quote imo .....for our situation. They question his coaching, but Warnock is no Pepe Guardiola...lets get some perspective. I just think in terms issues many have been dealt with, he has much less fires to put out.....yes there is still some...and he will have to work hard, to get the shape right I think he will learn alot from last season and get it right this time, meaning a better balanced team..... despite having no money. If you study Cardiff, they won 3 more games than us, with exactly the same goal difference.......and I wonder which ones they were for us?....and stupid errors cost us. Edited June 1, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only2McInallys Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 The team that played against Fulham if it was allowed to stay together would get promoted next season.Unfortuneately that can't happen due to FFP . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, sidcow said: Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once. I think he thinks Bruce is pist it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Londonastonvilla said: We narrowly missed out on promotion .Bruce effectively constructed a brand new team which at times played some extremely effective football .Is this the time to scrap the good things of this season and start again? That, as they say, is the question. Apart from a view stalwarts on either side of the debate, it’s generally the case that most can see merit in both keeping him and changing. It really is that fine a division. So I suppose the easy answer is it doesn’t matter either way ! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted June 1, 2018 Moderator Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Londonastonvilla said: We narrowly missed out on promotion .Bruce effectively constructed a brand new team which at times played some extremely effective football .Is this the time to scrap the good things of this season and start again? I guess the only thing is that we don't have a choice about whether we want to scrap the good things and start again - some of those good things are getting scrapped anyway. Next season is a new job. I've no problem with Bruce taking that job on, he's very capable - but I am surprised he wants to take it on, it's not where his experience lies - he's become a single hit promotion specialist and that's not the job; the job is club builder. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 9 hours ago, Londonastonvilla said: We narrowly missed out on promotion .Bruce effectively constructed a brand new team which at times played some extremely effective football .Is this the time to scrap the good things of this season and start again? But he also failed twice in his objectives - first season play offs - this season should have secured automatic promotion - what has he shown to suggest that he can deliver promotion next season under more challenging conditions ? Imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Londonastonvilla said: We narrowly missed out on promotion .Bruce effectively constructed a brand new team which at times played some extremely effective football .Is this the time to scrap the good things of this season and start again? That team has already lost 3 of its best players with more to follow , we have to start anew from here with a new strategy and .no cash to spend were that team still together and we weren’t financially screwed I’d agree with you to an extent but it’s now time to rethink things and go a new route . Edited June 2, 2018 by Eastie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tinker Posted June 2, 2018 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2018 11 hours ago, Demitri_C said: No we didn't why do people keep saying this. We spent big under di matteo. Under bruce he spent above average in janaury and then spent low on transfer fees last summer and Jan window. He was just giving loans and wages to play with and I feel it utilised that well for the promotion plan but we tell short just. It really does depend who xia wants. I can't see many better than bruce that ate attainable to be honest. All these fancy international coaches with zero championship experience is a gamble Terry's wages alone would amount to a fair amount, add Snodgrass Whelan and Grabben , who played in Hogan's place, who Bruce purchased. Landsbury who he never played and Bree , also someone he never played. Their wages alone add a considerable amount . Did any of the teams promoted spend more on players and their wages ? Maybe Wolves . He was backed and failed , his football was poor and the results inconsistent, heaven knows what would have happened should we had got promoted. He's a decent manager but not good enough to turn us into the team we want with the resources he now has Plenty of clubs have managers who have took low spending clubs into league's well above their perceived level. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 FFP..................................What a load of bollocks!! Its to keep the rich clubs successful, an the lesser out of the competition, yeah? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 If we let Bruce stay and rebuild us, we're signing our own death warrant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) I agree a new change of manager to take on this new route would be refreshing. Hopefully the new chap will utilise what we have left along with bringing in our own youth waiting in the wings. Flog the deadwood combined with a bit of fresh thinking from a new manager and we may just suprise ourselves this season. Thanks for your efforts Mr Bruce and it's a a shame you never quite pulled it off for us. Edited June 2, 2018 by AvfcRigo82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Quote Alex BruceVerified account @AlexBruce84 FollowFollow @AlexBruce84 More Alex Bruce Retweeted Chris Cash He’ll be looking forward to being back, he’ll dust himself down, like everyone at Villa has to and despite all the negativity at the moment regarding FFP, players being sold etc etc...... whatever lies ahead he’ll be doing his utmost to get Villa back to where they should be. So at the least he not been told he being sacked yet ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Nabby said: So at the least he not been told he being sacked yet ... You would certainly expect Alex Bruce to be as reliable as it gets . Will the last man out please turn off the lights - if he’s happy to stay I fear dark dark times ahead for all Edited June 2, 2018 by Eastie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Oh dear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted June 2, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 2, 2018 Doesn't sound like he's going anywhere. If there's any silver lining in that it may be that he's able to convince Jack to stay for another season as I think Jack respects him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONCABA Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 I think Bruce will be the deciding factor in Jack being here next season. If he stays, Jack stays for at least another season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Doesn't sound like he's going anywhere. If there's any silver lining in that it may be that he's able to convince Jack to stay for another season as I think Jack respects him. It not about jack wanting to leave though is it - it’s about us raising money to abide by ffp regulations . ‘It’s not as if jack has asked to leave and your hoping Bruce can persuade him to stay - that’s not the situation at all . ‘What we don’t want is Bruce to do what he did at hull and start pre season then decide he wants out after all and walk in july . Him leaving in July really screwed them up . Edited June 2, 2018 by Eastie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted June 2, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 2, 2018 Well we don't know that really, do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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